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TechnicalSuwako said:
it's expensive. i don't think i could afford even just phone.. what's with the monitor?
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[quote="TechnicalSuwako" pid='86814' dateline='1518803566']
$ 599 is about the price of a current flagship Android phone of most companies actually.
And the monitor is because if you connect the phone to an external display, mouse, and keyboard, you can use it as a full desktop PC.
It's the same thing Microsoft (Windows 10 Mobile) and Canonical (Ubuntu Touch) tried to achieve, except that since the phone already runs a full desktop OS, the OS you'll be using on the bigger display will be a full desktop OS as well.
But again, keep in mind that the processor will be an ARM processor, meaning that you'll only be able to run apps on it that are fully open source, or apps that have been pre-compiled for ARM processors (which is like 90% of the Linux desktop apps any way, but if you want to run more mainstream apps like Discord, Skype, Unity Engine, Maya (3D modelling software), or one of the many Windows apps under Wine or Mono, you're out of luck).
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i like windows apps like photoshop, skype.
isn't windows 10 mobile, a failed product? no one likes it and the people i know avoids it like the plague it is. i like that it can be used as a desktop pc but i want more than 8gb ram and more than 2tb for harddrive for a desktop pc
$ 599 is about the price of a current flagship Android phone of most companies actually.
And the monitor is because if you connect the phone to an external display, mouse, and keyboard, you can use it as a full desktop PC.
It's the same thing Microsoft (Windows 10 Mobile) and Canonical (Ubuntu Touch) tried to achieve, except that since the phone already runs a full desktop OS, the OS you'll be using on the bigger display will be a full desktop OS as well.
But again, keep in mind that the processor will be an ARM processor, meaning that you'll only be able to run apps on it that are fully open source, or apps that have been pre-compiled for ARM processors (which is like 90% of the Linux desktop apps any way, but if you want to run more mainstream apps like Discord, Skype, Unity Engine, Maya (3D modelling software), or one of the many Windows apps under Wine or Mono, you're out of luck).
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i like windows apps like photoshop, skype.
isn't windows 10 mobile, a failed product? no one likes it and the people i know avoids it like the plague it is. i like that it can be used as a desktop pc but i want more than 8gb ram and more than 2tb for harddrive for a desktop pc
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[quote="TechnicalSuwako" pid='86875' dateline='1518896247']
There is a Skype beta for Linux too, which is closed source and therefore not usable on that ARM-based phone.
Photoshop can often be used via Wine since it has a big fan base among Linux users while Adobe gives no even a single fuck about us, but since this phone is ARM based, same problems as with Skype.
Windows 10 Mobile has failed, but the PC functionality on it was really nothing more than a bigger version of Windows 10 Mobile with a desktop and the entire start screen hidden inside a start menu.
Other than that, it was the exact same OS, and therefore it was unable to run any kind of desktop app.
However, Microsoft was planning on bringing desktop apps (Win32) to this part of Windows 10 Mobile, but since they silently killed off the OS altogether, this will no longer happen.
As for your RAM and HDD requirements, it depends on your use case.
Linux generally uses far fewer RAM and CPU than Windows does.
But you might not need this much on an ARM-based phone, ARM processors have never been meant to use used for heavy desktop work any way.
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sounds like a pain but alternatives always exist though they don't do a good job. why won't they take more ram and cpu time? i googled arm and it looks complex
There is a Skype beta for Linux too, which is closed source and therefore not usable on that ARM-based phone.
Photoshop can often be used via Wine since it has a big fan base among Linux users while Adobe gives no even a single fuck about us, but since this phone is ARM based, same problems as with Skype.
Windows 10 Mobile has failed, but the PC functionality on it was really nothing more than a bigger version of Windows 10 Mobile with a desktop and the entire start screen hidden inside a start menu.
Other than that, it was the exact same OS, and therefore it was unable to run any kind of desktop app.
However, Microsoft was planning on bringing desktop apps (Win32) to this part of Windows 10 Mobile, but since they silently killed off the OS altogether, this will no longer happen.
As for your RAM and HDD requirements, it depends on your use case.
Linux generally uses far fewer RAM and CPU than Windows does.
But you might not need this much on an ARM-based phone, ARM processors have never been meant to use used for heavy desktop work any way.
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sounds like a pain but alternatives always exist though they don't do a good job. why won't they take more ram and cpu time? i googled arm and it looks complex
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Elvis said:
Linux doesn't need an app store, it already has software repositories for decades!
Like, you only have to type in a single command to install, update (and upgrade, depending on the distro), and remove packages, which is far more convenient than an app store (and at least it works).
Many distro's offer a GUI for that too, and if not then you can install one that's already made before.
And if not, then you can compile from source, or depending on the distro, download installable packages (Debian and Ubuntu use .deb files, Red Hat and Fedora use .rpm files, Arch and Manjaro don't have such a thing, but these already have an AUR that comes with the entire universe).
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Elvis said:
This is exactly what I've been explaining you all the time; this smartphone runs Pure OS by default, which is a Debian-based Linux distro.
Therefore, it already has access to millions of apps that have been created over the past 2 decades.
Debian comes with the "apt" command for this, with a graphical shell for it being "aptitude".
But it's very possible they'll make something that's easier to use, like how Ubuntu has their own "Ubuntu Software Centre" (though "apt" is still recommended over that, because Ubuntu Software Centre is quite a buggy mother fucker).
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[quote="TechnicalSuwako" pid='88080' dateline='1520700106']
Trying to trust Google to not steal my private information and sell it to advertisers is like trying to convince a serial killer with 20+ years of non-stop killing and dodging justice to stop killing people and hand themself over at own will.
In other words, no.
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That's a strange comparison if ever heard one. If that data for advertisements doesn't suit you then stop buying anything and stop clicking on them. You shouldn't bother anything else with them
Trying to trust Google to not steal my private information and sell it to advertisers is like trying to convince a serial killer with 20+ years of non-stop killing and dodging justice to stop killing people and hand themself over at own will.
In other words, no.
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That's a strange comparison if ever heard one. If that data for advertisements doesn't suit you then stop buying anything and stop clicking on them. You shouldn't bother anything else with them
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KuranKaname said:
Are you sure that websites being "https" alone will magically protect you against the entire universe?
https://blog.trendmicro.com/trendlabs-security-intelligence/phishing-safety-is-https-enough/
And another point of concern is how this guy explains that encryption in each HTTPS protocol was written by the NSA, which is anything but protecting your information, and therefore them creating something that would really protect your information is a contradiction to their core business (it's common for US officials to contradict themselves all the time any way).
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TechnicalSuwako said:
Can free certificates expire? Many are providing them for free. I didn't know about fake certificates until now. It's just didn't cross my mind at all. Predicting numbers thing in that video, I didn't get it. I didn't get that mim can't be prevented with https.