Owarimonogatari Season 2 is now the highest rated anime on MAL

MadaraUchiha said:
I mean, DN is without a doubt second tier to shounen anime. But, as far as short anime are concerned, it's still very, very popular.
That's a problem I faced, actually. For a good while, I wanted to watch something like DN, but, you know, I realised it's not possible and I enjoyed every anime for what it was.
The animation is not the best, I agree, but, the lack of bright colours, and its noir-like palette and filters ensure that it won't become dated, and complements the tone of the anime, throughout. 

Hyouka being a very good one. I will watch Haruhi, etc., eventually. It's just that I have to alternate between slice of life/drama/school/romance stuff and shounen/thriller/psychological stuff. Otherwise, I'll run out one of them.
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Well, that probably isn't a huge problem. I started watching anime with Pokemon back in high school, then saw Evangelion and Slayers, then Hellsing. All those are pretty unique shows, especially for a new fan, when you don't know what to expect of anime. I wished I could watch more anime like those ones, but that wasn't a huge problem. Guess it is the same for everyone =) But I agree with what you said earlier, SnK might not be ideal introduction for everyone, it is a tad too heavy on violence. I was fine watching Hellsing, but that is just me.

I wonder. I haven't see Death Note in decent quality, and back then when I watched it I didn't pay proper attention to the animation. It does look 2000s, I would say, and I generally prefer earlier or newer animations. But maybe that doesn't matter for a new fan. I didn't have problems with Bleach or Naruto animation when I saw them, even though there were lots of cheap or dull scenes, animation-wise.

Those were just school anime suggestions, you won't loose too much if you don't watch them in favor of some newer shows =) If you want more passionate suggestions from me, I'd recommend Freedom OVA, Ghost in the Shell, the 1995 movie and The Wings of Honneamise. 
[size=small]Freedom[/size] is about a human civilization left on a huge Moon base, after Earth underwent a devastating cataclysm. It is a mixture of adventure and sci-fi, partly written by Katsuhiro Otomo, [size=small]the guy who directed Akira. This series has more space enthusiasm then I've seen in any other anime by far, one of my favorite anime.[/size]
[size=small]You probably know about Ghost in the Shell, it is a cyberpunk classic. Not only the story is very interesting, but it is also a visual masterpiece. Not sure if it is possible to give due appreciation to how well it is made. It is one of those anime that can't age the same way how classical paintings don't age.[/size]
The Wings of Honneamise is a weird one, I would suggest you to watch it when you feel like you have seen enough good movies and want to have an anime that can surprise you. It is a story about a country sending a person in space for the first time. It has nothing to do with how this happened in real world, the events don't even take place in "real world", as far as I can remember. The story is focused on characters rather then tech, essentially it is a human drama with really good decorations. 

[size=small]I am not naming any Ghibli movie cause I assume you'll watch them sooner or later without me promoting them =)[/size]
 
Sindar said:
Well, that probably isn't a huge problem. I started watching anime with Pokemon back in high school, then saw Evangelion and Slayers, then Hellsing. All those are pretty unique shows, especially for a new fan, when you don't know what to expect of anime. I wished I could watch more anime like those ones, but that wasn't a huge problem. Guess it is the same for everyone =) But I agree with what you said earlier, SnK might not be ideal introduction for everyone, it is a tad too heavy on violence. I was fine watching Hellsing, but that is just me.

I wonder. I haven't see Death Note in decent quality, and back then when I watched it I didn't pay proper attention to the animation. It does look 2000s, I would say, and I generally prefer earlier or newer animations. But maybe that doesn't matter for a new fan. I didn't have problems with Bleach or Naruto animation when I saw them, even though there were lots of cheap or dull scenes, animation-wise.

Those were just school anime suggestions, you won't loose too much if you don't watch them in favor of some newer shows =) If you want more passionate suggestions from me, I'd recommend Freedom OVA, Ghost in the Shell, the 1995 movie and The Wings of Honneamise. 
[size=small]Freedom[/size] is about a human civilization left on a huge Moon base, after Earth underwent a devastating cataclysm. It is a mixture of adventure and sci-fi, partly written by Katsuhiro Otomo, [size=small]the guy who directed Akira. This series has more space enthusiasm then I've seen in any other anime by far, one of my favorite anime.[/size]
[size=small]You probably know about Ghost in the Shell, it is a cyberpunk classic. Not only the story is very interesting, but it is also a visual masterpiece. Not sure if it is possible to give due appreciation to how well it is made. It is one of those anime that can't age the same way how classical paintings don't age.[/size]
The Wings of Honneamise is a weird one, I would suggest you to watch it when you feel like you have seen enough good movies and want to have an anime that can surprise you. It is a story about a country sending a person in space for the first time. It has nothing to do with how this happened in real world, the events don't even take place in "real world", as far as I can remember. The story is focused on characters rather then tech, essentially it is a human drama with really good decorations. 

[size=small]I am not naming any Ghibli movie cause I assume you'll watch them sooner or later without me promoting them =)[/size]
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I read this article on myanimelist.net regarding what makes a good 'introductory anime' a few weeks back. It was pretty good.
Link:
https://myanimelist.net/featured/2187/What_Makes_a_Good_Starter_Anime
[size=small]It takes into consideration about 15 anime and makes a few interesting points as to why they act as good gateway anime.[/size]

I didn't watch it in good quality either. The copy I watched was 360p or 480p, I think. I haven't revisited it in years. Even if the animation doesn't hold up, what makes Death Note as good as it is the fast pacing and the ability to maintain tension from start to finish, among a variety of other things. I'm kind of forgiving of Shounen anime like Naruto or Bleach because they have to get it out every week, and every episode may not have a lot of money. But, I'd definitely say that when it's required, Naruto shines. With the exception of Naruto vs Pein, every single major battle has excellent animation. Of course, they dropped the ball with the quality during the Fourth Great Ninja War, but, even in that, they had excellent episodes like Madara vs Shinobi alliance, Kakashi vs Obito(both episodes co-incidentally directed by the same guy, the guy who is now directing Boruto), and of course, the amazing Naruto vs Sasuke fight.

Ghost in the Shell as been on my plan-to-watch list since a year after I started watching anime. It's just that for some reason, I haven't really watched a lot of anime movies for some reason. Kimi no Na wa and Boruto: Naruto the Movie are the only ones.
And, thanks for the recommendations.

Regarding Ghibli, yes, almost all of their movies are in my plan-to-watch list, especially Princess Mononoke, My Neighbour Totoro and Spirited Away.
I did watch half of Mononoke Hime last year. I remember it had an amazing opening sequence, and from then on, it was very though-provoking, with great imagery, and comments on man vs nature. I had to do this other work, so, I stopped watching it, and unfortunately, I haven't gotten into it again. I did find it to be a tad bit preachy.

On a side note, did you read Boruto Chapter 15?
 
BurnsyCEO said:
Thanks. I watched this movie https://myanimelist.net/anime.php?id=9760 and I loved it and saw it being compared to miyazaki movies and thats what peaked my interest.
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Cool. Makoto Shinkai is pretty unique as well, but it is a fair enough comparison. Have you seen any other of his films? 5 Centimeters per Second or Garden of Words, maybe?

MadaraUchiha said:
I read this article on myanimelist.net regarding what makes a good 'introductory anime' a few weeks back. It was pretty good.
Link:
https://myanimelist.net/featured/2187/What_Makes_a_Good_Starter_Anime
[size=small]It takes into consideration about 15 anime and makes a few interesting points as to why they act as good gateway anime.[/size]

I didn't watch it in good quality either. The copy I watched was 360p or 480p, I think. I haven't revisited it in years. Even if the animation doesn't hold up, what makes Death Note as good as it is the fast pacing and the ability to maintain tension from start to finish, among a variety of other things. I'm kind of forgiving of Shounen anime like Naruto or Bleach because they have to get it out every week, and every episode may not have a lot of money. But, I'd definitely say that when it's required, Naruto shines. With the exception of Naruto vs Pein, every single major battle has excellent animation. Of course, they dropped the ball with the quality during the Fourth Great Ninja War, but, even in that, they had excellent episodes like Madara vs Shinobi alliance, Kakashi vs Obito(both episodes co-incidentally directed by the same guy, the guy who is now directing Boruto), and of course, the amazing Naruto vs Sasuke fight.

Ghost in the Shell as been on my plan-to-watch list since a year after I started watching anime. It's just that for some reason, I haven't really watched a lot of anime movies for some reason. Kimi no Na wa and Boruto: Naruto the Movie are the only ones.
And, thanks for the recommendations.

Regarding Ghibli, yes, almost all of their movies are in my plan-to-watch list, especially Princess Mononoke, My Neighbour Totoro and Spirited Away.
I did watch half of Mononoke Hime last year. I remember it had an amazing opening sequence, and from then on, it was very though-provoking, with great imagery, and comments on man vs nature. I had to do this other work, so, I stopped watching it, and unfortunately, I haven't gotten into it again. I did find it to be a tad bit preachy.

On a side note, did you read Boruto Chapter 15?
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The best point made in this article is that the gateway anime should already be popular, so the newcomers could discuss it after they saw it. Makes perfect sense. 

Yeah, Death Note's story and pacing aren't going to age anytime soon. They should make more proper detective anime, would be fun to watch.

Right, I mean back then it didn't matter for me too much either way. Btw, back when I first saw Pain vs Naruto, before I even started watching this anime, I thought that was a fan-made animation because of all those simple-looking monochrome cube-shaped debris and such. Kinda funny, since it is actually a pretty good piece of experimental animation. They specifically chose artists who are good at quality motion animation with their unique styles, and that is what they did. It is ironic that almost the entire  fan base thinks that this fight was a failure, when in fact the quality was way beyond average shonen standards. It is one of those animations that would be remembered separately from the show itself. But it was too experimental for the fans, I guess, and people didn't like the change in style too.

All of Miyazaki's movies would have his opinions woven into them. Those are usually not straightforward or linear though. Like with Princess Mononoke, it is easy to think that the movie tries to condemn human activities that damage nature, but that is not really it. I don't want to spoil anything for you, but there are moments in it that advocate humans taking advantage [size=small] [/size][size=small]of[/size][size=small] [/size]and exploiting nature. Don't worry by the way, his other movies hide their agendas way better [size=small]: D [/size][size=small](maybe except for Nausicaa, but it isn't in your priority list anyway)[/size]

[size=small]Going to read it right now, they just finished translating it ^^/[/size]
 
Sindar said:
Cool. Makoto Shinkai is pretty unique as well, but it is a fair enough comparison. Have you seen any other of his films? 5 Centimeters per Second or Garden of Words, maybe?

The best point made in this article is that the gateway anime should already be popular, so the newcomers could discuss it after they saw it. Makes perfect sense. 

Yeah, Death Note's story and pacing aren't going to age anytime soon. They should make more proper detective anime, would be fun to watch.

Right, I mean back then it didn't matter for me too much either way. Btw, back when I first saw Pain vs Naruto, before I even started watching this anime, I thought that was a fan-made animation because of all those simple-looking monochrome cube-shaped debris and such. Kinda funny, since it is actually a pretty good piece of experimental animation. They specifically chose artists who are good at quality motion animation with their unique styles, and that is what they did. It is ironic that almost the entire  fan base thinks that this fight was a failure, when in fact the quality was way beyond average shonen standards. It is one of those animations that would be remembered separately from the show itself. But it was too experimental for the fans, I guess, and people didn't like the change in style too.

All of Miyazaki's movies would have his opinions woven into them. Those are usually not straightforward or linear though. Like with Princess Mononoke, it is easy to think that the movie tries to condemn human activities that damage nature, but that is not really it. I don't want to spoil anything for you, but there are moments in it that advocate humans taking advantage [size=small] [/size][size=small]of[/size][size=small] [/size]and exploiting nature. Don't worry by the way, his other movies hide their agendas way better [size=small]: D [/size][size=small](maybe except for Nausicaa, but it isn't in your priority list anyway)[/size]

[size=small]Going to read it right now, they just finished translating it ^^/[/size]
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Maybe I'm ignorant, but, I've only seen a few genuinely great detective anime(Psycho-Pass being one).

I see. Well, as with Death Note, I saw Naruto: Shippuden in 360p(at least till the part where Naruto meets his mother and acquires the Nine-Tails cloak power, that's when I caught up). So, maybe that's clouding my vision. But, there still were many bad parts, like when Pein uses the Chibaku Tensei to try and seal the Kyuubi as the number of tails start growing, and that part didn't exactly have great animation. And, stuff like these:
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I see. Well, I don't mind when directors and screen-writers do that. It gets on my nerves when it's on the nose. Like in Interstellar(don't know if you've watched it), the excellent screen-writer, Jonathan Nolan, the brother of the amazing Christopher Nolan, puts dialogues like 'love is the only thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space', in a movie that does involve dimensions, time, space, black holes, etc., and a movie in which the third act basically tells you that love can save everything. That's why this visually stunning and captivating movie kind of fell off towards the end. Still a good movie.
To give an example in anime, I'd probably say that the way Kishi wrote Obito after it's revealed that Tobi is indeed him, and the way he tried to redeem him etc., didn't work for me. That's the one antagonist of his I didn't like(apart from Kaguya of course, but, she's not even a character. She's so ridiculous that she basically becomes a parody). Now, this is not Kishi's agenda, per se, but, this is Kishi using his past tricks on Obito, and failing, in my opinion.
 
MadaraUchiha said:
Maybe I'm ignorant, but, I've only seen a few genuinely great detective anime(Psycho-Pass being one).

I see. Well, as with Death Note, I saw Naruto: Shippuden in 360p(at least till the part where Naruto meets his mother and acquires the Nine-Tails cloak power, that's when I caught up). So, maybe that's clouding my vision. But, there still were many bad parts, like when Pein uses the Chibaku Tensei to try and seal the Kyuubi as the number of tails start growing, and that part didn't exactly have great animation. And, stuff like these:
tumblr_m3hioxDQZR1r2lb58.jpg


I see. Well, I don't mind when directors and screen-writers do that. It gets on my nerves when it's on the nose. Like in Interstellar(don't know if you've watched it), the excellent screen-writer, Jonathan Nolan, the brother of the amazing Christopher Nolan, puts dialogues like 'love is the only thing we're capable of perceiving that transcends dimensions of time and space', in a movie that does involve dimensions, time, space, black holes, etc., and a movie in which the third act basically tells you that love can save everything. That's why this visually stunning and captivating movie kind of fell off towards the end. Still a good movie.
To give an example in anime, I'd probably say that the way Kishi wrote Obito after it's revealed that Tobi is indeed him, and the way he tried to redeem him etc., didn't work for me. That's the one antagonist of his I didn't like(apart from Kaguya of course, but, she's not even a character. She's so ridiculous that she basically becomes a parody). Now, this is not Kishi's agenda, per se, but, this is Kishi using his past tricks on Obito, and failing, in my opinion.
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Psycho Pass is a great anime, but it is more  cyberpunk than detective genre. The don't spend time on making deductions, acquiring evidence, interrogating eye witnesses and so on. I would call [size=small]Psycho Pass police anime, there are quite a few of those (though it is not a genre, rather a theme or settings). What makes [/size]detective stories unique is that the most impressive revelations happen in people's minds, while the actions scenes are mostly there to set up the stage - exactly how Death Note did it.

Well, that is what experimental animation looks like =) Sometimes you can't pause it, the frames aren't meant to be looked at individually. That particular moment is a sequence of key frames with no in-between frames, that is pretty interesting in itself. And it definitely does show the dynamics of the impact. Also, remember how Kyubi-Naruto was hammering Pain into the ground with gigantic boulder? Or how Pain was stuck head first in a wall? : D Those are all anime-only moments, the animators thought of them. That is a great sequence, it carries artist's personality with it. If it was a part of some OVA, everyone would be happy about it, this is the sort of stuff you seek when watching non-mainstream productions. With Naruto though fans were more concerned with consistency and aesthetics then with uniqueness and artistic beauty. It is fair enough too. Later sakuga-heavy episodes, like the introduction of Madara episode, they were made in much more consistent manner, they look great too.

Btw, just for fun, take a look at how Hinata vs Pain fight looked in the manga - http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/437/13 I like the way they made the fight look in the anime, but honestly this makes way more sense thinking about the difference of power between these two.

Yeah I get you. With Miyazaki you would have to work a fair bit to find what he wants to say with his films, so it is okay I'd say. It is easy to assume that there is a simple message in his film, but it would most likely turn out to be wrong after you examine it for a bit longer. Just to give a comparison, Psycho Pass is way more obvious with its messages, but they still feel perfectly fine because the anime gives you two different perspectives (showing the good side of Sibyl-driven society and its ugly side as well, to put it simply). Princess Mononoke does something similar, and in other Miyazaki films, like Porco Rosso, it is even more convoluted. I am talking so much about it cause trying to find out what Miyazaki wanted to say usually provides me a significant portion of the fun I have with his films. It is just me though.

If you want an example of an anime that pushes its dumb message in your face, try Silent Service =) The movie advocates militarism, praises insane war fanatics and shows cold war-style conflict as an achievement : D It wasn't dull though, other than its insane agenda the movie is fun to watch.
 
Sindar said:
Psycho Pass is a great anime, but it is more  cyberpunk than detective genre. The don't spend time on making deductions, acquiring evidence, interrogating eye witnesses and so on. I would call [size=small]Psycho Pass police anime, there are quite a few of those (though it is not a genre, rather a theme or settings). What makes [/size]detective stories unique is that the most impressive revelations happen in people's minds, while the actions scenes are mostly there to set up the stage - exactly how Death Note did it.

Well, that is what experimental animation looks like =) Sometimes you can't pause it, the frames aren't meant to be looked at individually. That particular moment is a sequence of key frames with no in-between frames, that is pretty interesting in itself. And it definitely does show the dynamics of the impact. Also, remember how Kyubi-Naruto was hammering Pain into the ground with gigantic boulder? Or how Pain was stuck head first in a wall? : D Those are all anime-only moments, the animators thought of them. That is a great sequence, it carries artist's personality with it. If it was a part of some OVA, everyone would be happy about it, this is the sort of stuff you seek when watching non-mainstream productions. With Naruto though fans were more concerned with consistency and aesthetics then with uniqueness and artistic beauty. It is fair enough too. Later sakuga-heavy episodes, like the introduction of Madara episode, they were made in much more consistent manner, they look great too.

Btw, just for fun, take a look at how Hinata vs Pain fight looked in the manga - http://www.mangapanda.com/naruto/437/13 I like the way they made the fight look in the anime, but honestly this makes way more sense thinking about the difference of power between these two.

Yeah I get you. With Miyazaki you would have to work a fair bit to find what he wants to say with his films, so it is okay I'd say. It is easy to assume that there is a simple message in his film, but it would most likely turn out to be wrong after you examine it for a bit longer. Just to give a comparison, Psycho Pass is way more obvious with its messages, but they still feel perfectly fine because the anime gives you two different perspectives (showing the good side of Sibyl-driven society and its ugly side as well, to put it simply). Princess Mononoke does something similar, and in other Miyazaki films, like Porco Rosso, it is even more convoluted. I am talking so much about it cause trying to find out what Miyazaki wanted to say usually provides me a significant portion of the fun I have with his films. It is just me though.

If you want an example of an anime that pushes its dumb message in your face, try Silent Service =) The movie advocates militarism, praises insane war fanatics and shows cold war-style conflict as an achievement : D It wasn't dull though, other than its insane agenda the movie is fun to watch.
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I disagree. The first episode itself is them finding a criminal in a house, the next few in a factory, and then, a serial killer, and those set of episodes that make Akane follow a trail that eventually leads to Makishima is enough for me to qualify as a detective anime. Sure, they don't do interrogations and stuff, but they do make enough deductions from available evidence to lead to a possible conclusion. I'm willing to watch anime with weird animations. I watched this anime called Kaiba and its animation was almost head-ache inducing, but, as episodes went on, I got used to it.

Look, maybe that wasn't 'bad' animation, but, it's still not appealing you know. It looks kind of ridiculous. The first scene of Pein itself is sort of you know, him standing in a cross-shaped manner like a God, and decimating Konoha, and this looks weird and dumb. Kudos on their part on being experimental, but, it just didn't work for me.

I agree. I guess I have to watch his movies to know for myself.
 
MadaraUchiha said:
I disagree. The first episode itself is them finding a criminal in a house, the next few in a factory, and then, a serial killer, and those set of episodes that make Akane follow a trail that eventually leads to Makishima is enough for me to qualify as a detective anime. Sure, they don't do interrogations and stuff, but they do make enough deductions from available evidence to lead to a possible conclusion. I'm willing to watch anime with weird animations. I watched this anime called Kaiba and its animation was almost head-ache inducing, but, as episodes went on, I got used to it.

Look, maybe that wasn't 'bad' animation, but, it's still not appealing you know. It looks kind of ridiculous. The first scene of Pein itself is sort of you know, him standing in a cross-shaped manner like a God, and decimating Konoha, and this looks weird and dumb. Kudos on their part on being experimental, but, it just didn't work for me.

I agree. I guess I have to watch his movies to know for myself.
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That's going to be changed soon
No anime stays in that position for long and I k ow what I am talking about.
 
that's cool rinko
but you don't know when it comes to anime fans and they try to create only one anime can be at the top.
 
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