Worst arc of all in one piece

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Yes. And, as I mentioned earlier, Oda's been separating the crew in the past two arcs. And, it's not like I don't want him to, but, I want them all to be in the same island, but in different locations, and I want him to juggle between them. When Dressrosa took place, it was very strange for me to not see Sanji for more than 50 episodes, and I'm probably gonna feel the same in this arc, not seeing Zoro or Robin for a long time.
That moment was pretty funny, seeing someone with such a stoic nature act out of character.
 
MadaraUchiha said:
Yes. And, as I mentioned earlier, Oda's been separating the crew in the past two arcs. And, it's not like I don't want him to, but, I want them all to be in the same island, but in different locations, and I want him to juggle between them. When Dressrosa took place, it was very strange for me to not see Sanji for more than 50 episodes, and I'm probably gonna feel the same in this arc, not seeing Zoro or Robin for a long time.
That moment was pretty funny, seeing someone with such a stoic nature act out of character.
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The crew is pretty big though, I feel it would be hard to give each of them screen time if they are all on the spot. Even now when half of the crew is missing I feel like some characters don't get enough attention. It is probably different in the adaptation because you get 20 minutes of time for every chapter, plenty for everyone.
 
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Oh my god. You want me to get into oda's head who came up with spypiea arc? I might have to make a trip to psych ward or something. I wouldn't be surprised if oda says that the raftel is in another dimension. Seriously
 
Nel said:
Oh my god. You want me to get into oda's head who came up with spypiea arc? I might have to make a trip to psych ward or something. I wouldn't be surprised if oda says that the raftel is in another dimension. Seriously
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In other words you are saying One Piece is unpredictable? : P
You don't need to get into Oda's head to make theories about the topics I've mentioned, I specifically picked ones for which there are plenty of clues in the story.

My point is, this manga has this standard shounen series-like structure, but there are plenty of intricate details that make sense and can be predicted, but that requires a lot of work. Oda inserts carefully hidden hints all over his story, rewarding readers who pay careful attention, that is his style of writing. No other big shonen series I know of does that.
 
Sindar said:
The crew is pretty big though, I feel it would be hard to give each of them screen time if they are all on the spot. Even now when half of the crew is missing I feel like some characters don't get enough attention. It is probably different in the adaptation because you get 20 minutes of time for every chapter, plenty for everyone.
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I agree to everything you said. But, in spite of that, it still feels weird. Pacing may also be an issue here. Because of the extended runtime for each scene, maybe there aren't enough characters in the adaptation.
Personally, I think Thriller Bark arc balanced the crew and the run-time really well.
 
MadaraUchiha said:
I agree to everything you said. But, in spite of that, it still feels weird. Pacing may also be an issue here. Because of the extended runtime for each scene, maybe there aren't enough characters in the adaptation.
Personally, I think Thriller Bark arc balanced the crew and the run-time really well.
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Sindar said:
In other words you are saying One Piece is unpredictable? : P
You don't need to get into Oda's head to make theories about the topics I've mentioned, I specifically picked ones for which there are plenty of clues in the story.

My point is, this manga has this standard shounen series-like structure, but there are plenty of intricate details that make sense and can be predicted, but that requires a lot of work. Oda inserts carefully hidden hints all over his story, rewarding readers who pay careful attention, that is his style of writing. No other big shonen series I know of does that.
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I won't say it unpredictable. I have read true stories that are unpredictable. What about Naruto?
 
Sindar said:
What about it? =)
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So, kishimoto isn't that creative to insert skills? I never thought itachi is the good guy and the same goes to ichimaru gin in bleach
 
You mean the current one? I have no idea, it is pretty fast paced, everything changes too fast to guess how long it will keep going. Either Wano or Reverie should go next, who knows though.

Vivi is a noble, that is something Strawhats don'y have yet. She can work with them towards some common goals, especially if Reverie would be what I imagine it to be, a huge gathering of all characters connected with nobility. It is not like any pirate crew can just walk in and take on the government+world nobles+marines, so I feel like Vivi could provide some essential help there. She doesn't need to be working with Luffy though, she can join Sabo and Dragon, I'd be happy with that too. But then, so far Oda never made an arc that wasn't centered on strawhats, I don't expect him to change this rule. So those are all just fantasies so far =)

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So, kishimoto isn't that creative to insert skills? I never thought itachi is the good guy and the same goes to ichimaru gin in bleach
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Were there any hints that would have allowed the reader to predict Itachi's true intentions? I don't remember any. That is the difference. Same with Gin. It is very easy to insert unexpected events, it is slightly harder to insert events that make sense looking back at them, but the hardest thing is to give the reader a fair chance of guessing that something will happen before it does. Kubo used to do the first thing, Kishimoto - the second, and Oda goes for the toughest one.
 
Sindar said:
You mean the current one? I have no idea, it is pretty fast paced, everything changes too fast to guess how long it will keep going. Either Wano or Reverie should go next, who knows though.

Vivi is a noble, that is something Strawhats don'y have yet. She can work with them towards some common goals, especially if Reverie would be what I imagine it to be, a huge gathering of all characters connected with nobility. It is not like any pirate crew can just walk in and take on the government+world nobles+marines, so I feel like Vivi could provide some essential help there. She doesn't need to be working with Luffy though, she can join Sabo and Dragon, I'd be happy with that too. But then, so far Oda never made an arc that wasn't centered on strawhats, I don't expect him to change this rule. So those are all just fantasies so far =)

Were there any hints that would have allowed the reader to predict Itachi's true intentions? I don't remember any. That is the difference. Same with Gin. It is very easy to insert unexpected events, it is slightly harder to insert events that make sense looking back at them, but the hardest thing is to give the reader a fair chance of guessing that something will happen before it does. Kubo used to do the first thing, Kishimoto - the second, and Oda goes for the toughest one.
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Face-palm. I guess it's only a matter of time before I start getting fed up of the anime and start reading the manga.
Reverie arc seems like a place in which further conflict will escalate. I'd prefer it if Wano came next.

Well, I think that Vivi siding with the revolutionaries makes more sense than joining Luffy. They are friends, but, them joining doesn't make any sense for me. And, at this point, it wouldn't make sense to not make an arc without them. Their strength is 9. Plus, Dragon is Luffy's father, so, why should there be an arc focused on the revolutionaries without Luffy involved.
 
MadaraUchiha said:
Face-palm. I guess it's only a matter of time before I start getting fed up of the anime and start reading the manga.
Reverie arc seems like a place in which further conflict will escalate. I'd prefer it if Wano came next.

Well, I think that Vivi siding with the revolutionaries makes more sense than joining Luffy. They are friends, but, them joining doesn't make any sense for me. And, at this point, it wouldn't make sense to not make an arc without them. Their strength is 9. Plus, Dragon is Luffy's father, so, why should there be an arc focused on the revolutionaries without Luffy involved.
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xD Well you can wait two more months and see if the anime's pace would improve =) I've seen a lot of complaints about seducing woods part from the manga fans as well, so maybe it isn't entirely the animators fault. Fun fact about pacing, people who do live reaction to the manga are usually reading each chapter in 10 minutes, and each anime episode is usually covering a single chapter. So reading manga at this pace should feel like 2x speed, but no more.

I kinda hope the two arcs would start at the same time and get intertwined. The formula "one arc - one island" is a bit too simple, Oda can do better than this. I often compare One Piece with Game of Thrones in terms of narrative, I think Oda could adopt some of this style, having multiple events go in parallel influencing each other. I don't know though. Like, imagine Zoro and Law leading the operation at Wano while Robin and Franky and revolutionaries are stack at the Reverie, and Luffy doing something across the two places. I wonder if that is possible with 20 pages long chapters though.

Right, it probably wouldn't happen =)
 
Sindar said:
xD Well you can wait two more months and see if the anime's pace would improve =) I've seen a lot of complaints about seducing woods part from the manga fans as well, so maybe it isn't entirely the animators fault. Fun fact about pacing, people who do live reaction to the manga are usually reading each chapter in 10 minutes, and each anime episode is usually covering a single chapter. So reading manga at this pace should feel like 2x speed, but no more.

I kinda hope the two arcs would start at the same time and get intertwined. The formula "one arc - one island" is a bit too simple, Oda can do better than this. I often compare One Piece with Game of Thrones in terms of narrative, I think Oda could adopt some of this style, having multiple events go in parallel influencing each other. I don't know though. Like, imagine Zoro and Law leading the operation at Wano while Robin and Franky and revolutionaries are stack at the Reverie, and Luffy doing something across the two places. I wonder if that is possible with 20 pages long chapters though.

Right, it probably wouldn't happen =)
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I'm comfortable with multiple POV's. The problem is, Game of Thrones is 50 minutes long, and it has been doing this since season 1. And now, almost every point of view has almost converged(I hope you've watched the latest episode in season 7). And, live-reactions are one thing, they actually react to stuff, and that takes time, plus, they don't just read it. In some cases, they actually interpret and explain what happens. Normally(or at least for me), a manga chapter takes 4 min to read, tops. And, it's usually 20 pages long. It's difficult for me to imagine how Oda is going to balance everything. I mean, Naruto did that in Naruto Shippuden, with alternating arcs focusing on Naruto and Sasuke pretty successfully, so, I guess it can be done. But, the point here is it was singularly(or at least mostly) focused on one of these two characters. In Sasuke's arcs, Naruto plays a small role, and in Naruto-centric arcs, Sasuke doesn't make an appearance at all. The one example I can think of in which he balanced both of them was during the Fourth Great Shinobi War, when he switched between Naruto fighting with the armies, and Sasuke and Itachi fighting against Kabuto, and again, when Naruto was fighting the war, and Sasuke was talking to the Hokage, though in the latter instance, it was still mostly focused on Sasuke.
I'd be happy if both arcs happen at the same time. It'd be something new. And, it can give ammunition to the animators to somehow make the pacing better, because they have more room to add new elements to prolong the run-time, whenever they switch POV.
 
MadaraUchiha said:
I'm comfortable with multiple POV's. The problem is, Game of Thrones is 50 minutes long, and it has been doing this since season 1. And now, almost every point of view has almost converged(I hope you've watched the latest episode in season 7). And, live-reactions are one thing, they actually react to stuff, and that takes time, plus, they don't just read it. In some cases, they actually interpret and explain what happens. Normally(or at least for me), a manga chapter takes 4 min to read, tops. And, it's usually 20 pages long. It's difficult for me to imagine how Oda is going to balance everything. I mean, Naruto did that in Naruto Shippuden, with alternating arcs focusing on Naruto and Sasuke pretty successfully, so, I guess it can be done. But, the point here is it was singularly(or at least mostly) focused on one of these two characters. In Sasuke's arcs, Naruto plays a small role, and in Naruto-centric arcs, Sasuke doesn't make an appearance at all. The one example I can think of in which he balanced both of them was during the Fourth Great Shinobi War, when he switched between Naruto fighting with the armies, and Sasuke and Itachi fighting against Kabuto, and again, when Naruto was fighting the war, and Sasuke was talking to the Hokage, though in the latter instance, it was still mostly focused on Sasuke.
I'd be happy if both arcs happen at the same time. It'd be something new. And, it can give ammunition to the animators to somehow make the pacing better, because they have more room to add new elements to prolong the run-time, whenever they switch POV.
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I see. Well, I guess we perceive things differently, after being fed with different media. Though, I didn't understand your Togashi analogy.
 
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