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Demon_skeith
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Shin Chan doesn't have much action to it, but if you have an open mind to its comedy it can be pretty good.
TechnicalSuwako said:If storylines doesn't matter much and want to have quick laughs, you can get a Creyon Shin Chan manga.
The one I'm holding in my hand at the moment of typing has 285 pages, it's split into 4 parts, and each chapter is worth 3 pages only.
One example:
TechnicalSuwako said:
I never thought it's that popular to be honest. Well it's good to know that all she groups seem to like it.
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Not to scare you off already, but you'll need to be able to read Kanji if you don't want to get stuck with books designed for 4 year olds or voice chats.
I know it can seem complicated, I've been through that as well.
But once you get the hang of it and you can remember the first bunch, then it's getting gradually easier.
And any Kanji you forget during the time are much easier to re-learn again.
Kanji is still a very essencial part of the written language, since too many words are written exactly the same in Hiragana, while Kanji can make things easier to understand.
And it's easier to separate words from each other if you can read Kanji, since the Japanese language doesn't use spaces.
I think this guy explains it best:
Bonus video for some peace in mind:
Sindar
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What I meant was, historically languages tend to simplify, since a lot of grammatical forms had been either awkwardly borrowed from other languages or became archaic over time. Irregular verbs in English is a good example, the language mostly freed itself from them. Though printed books, dictionaries and such slowed this progress way down; it still happens though. Now with internet and massive use of written text (which was never done before) and with languages becoming international, the call for simplification is especially strong. I am very interested to see how it will go with Japanese, Chinese and Korea. Chinese especially, since they don't even have aphonetic alphabet. It is pretty hard to predict trends with languages though, which makes it even more fascinating for me =)
Translators are still pretty bad right now xD Though it depends on the languages. German to English translation by Google Translate is pretty smooth, for example. It will probably take them 5-10 years to master the detail. I doubt the translators will ever be able to substitute for knowing the language, especially for live conversations, but they are probably going to do just fine for information search and such. For example, I'd not be surprised in good quality auto-translated subtitles will be availible in a few years. But regardless, learning a foreign language is fun, people will still do it even if translators were really good.
That sounds like a lot of fun =) Yeah, I had tried Rosetta, it is easy and satisfying, but you make no progress with it. The way I like to learn is by reading and listening. At the begining I would read simplified texts with audio version, then move to comicbooks, films and regular audiobook. Talking with people would be fun too I guess, I doubt I could do it with my scedules and lifestyle though >_>
Blackangel
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Understood.
North- and South Korea both used Hanja (Chinese characters in Korean) before too, but they managed to completely abolish that in favour for Hangul.
Though I don't think that was a really good idea, since Korean has the same issue as Japanese and Chinese, which is same spelling for lots of different words.
But even though they no longer use Chinese characters, both Koreas still teach Korean pupils Hanja today, since there are still older documents written with Hanja and not teaching those would make them unable to understand those.
Communist China also did an effort by simplifying a huge number of Hanzi (Chinese characters in Chinese) to ensure that more Chinese people will become able to read.
It worked, though traditional characters are still in use too (which is convenient for me as someone who knows Kanji, which is more similar to the traditional characters than it is to the simplified ones).
Though Japan too simplified a lot.
I used to be in some Discord server that heavily talked about anything historical about China and Japan at one point (only 7 people including me were there, only half of which was active), they shared quite some text from ancient Japan, and I can definitely see how much more difficult Japanese was back then compared to how it is now.
I recently left since everyone stopped talking there.
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this post made me laugh. even if there is that much text, whole reading it, we could easily make out the reply. you don't have to take the text out. i read in a manga that kanji is closer to english
Understood.
North- and South Korea both used Hanja (Chinese characters in Korean) before too, but they managed to completely abolish that in favour for Hangul.
Though I don't think that was a really good idea, since Korean has the same issue as Japanese and Chinese, which is same spelling for lots of different words.
But even though they no longer use Chinese characters, both Koreas still teach Korean pupils Hanja today, since there are still older documents written with Hanja and not teaching those would make them unable to understand those.
Communist China also did an effort by simplifying a huge number of Hanzi (Chinese characters in Chinese) to ensure that more Chinese people will become able to read.
It worked, though traditional characters are still in use too (which is convenient for me as someone who knows Kanji, which is more similar to the traditional characters than it is to the simplified ones).
Though Japan too simplified a lot.
I used to be in some Discord server that heavily talked about anything historical about China and Japan at one point (only 7 people including me were there, only half of which was active), they shared quite some text from ancient Japan, and I can definitely see how much more difficult Japanese was back then compared to how it is now.
I recently left since everyone stopped talking there.
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this post made me laugh. even if there is that much text, whole reading it, we could easily make out the reply. you don't have to take the text out. i read in a manga that kanji is closer to english
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SecretWish said:
I'm not sure how to understand this part.
Your whole post actually gives me floating question marks, but this one sentence even more.
Not really.
In spoken language, Japanese people typically use pitch accent to make clear which word they mean.
Like how I once fucked up when I asked for Mr. Satou; I was supposed to say SAtou-san, but instead I said saTOU-san, which means "mr. sugar".
As for the amounts, Japanese students have to learn only 2136 Kanji total, Chinese something around 3500 Hanzi I think, but both ways the total amount of Kanji/Hanzi/Hanja in existence is unknown, but there are rumours of a number being between 9000 and 12000.
The good news is that even for native speakers of either language it's impossible to know that much of them.
Sindar said:
Not necessarily just older text, also in parts that are strictly traditional (like Taiwan) or parts that use both (like Hong Kong).
And you say it correctly, you'll understand, but only the core meaning of a sentence.
You won't be able to understand everything, and you won't be able to read anything at all if you know Japanese and read traditional Chinese text (or vice versa).
Blackangel
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TechnicalSuwako said:
i am not good at english and most of the time i make mistakes often. i think you got why i laughed and the second this is something i read in a yaoi manga