Is there a worse game reviewer than IGN?
- Thread starter Burnsy
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Last of us 2 deserves it.
Burnsy said:
I finished it at least, didn't watch it on Youtube.
Burnsy said:
I think the gameplay was exceptional, both stealth and combat and while it's not 5/5 I think it's definitely a 4/5. As for the story I liked it but it's polarising so I don't really get surprised when I get either one as an answer.
apathy
how'd i get to be so good?
TLoU2 and CoD scores are debatable but the other 2 do kinda line up with the general consensus I've seen online. A lot of people would agree with the TLoU2 score, but of course plenty would object also.
I've not played any of those games, mind you, so I can't comment on whether I think they're accurate.
I've not played any of those games, mind you, so I can't comment on whether I think they're accurate.
Grungie
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Idk, I haven’t played those games, but what do the actual reviews say? I think people spend too much time complaining about the score, but never mention what the review says. I’d rather read a well written negative review on a game I think is a 10/10 than a review that basically exists solely for confirmation bias.
There are also certain gameplay styles that I hate that others love, and vice versa. I love JRPG’s, but while I’m totally okay with a mindless grind fest with random encounters, but I know plenty of people hate that with a passion. There’s some “B-grade” RPG’s I love that have some mechanics people find are jank that I enjoy, or outdated mechanics that probably shouldn’t have left 1987 that people really hate that I enjoy.
TL;DR I don’t get worked up over non-congruent opinions on games and stuff, because I know I like/hate things different from other people.
There are also certain gameplay styles that I hate that others love, and vice versa. I love JRPG’s, but while I’m totally okay with a mindless grind fest with random encounters, but I know plenty of people hate that with a passion. There’s some “B-grade” RPG’s I love that have some mechanics people find are jank that I enjoy, or outdated mechanics that probably shouldn’t have left 1987 that people really hate that I enjoy.
TL;DR I don’t get worked up over non-congruent opinions on games and stuff, because I know I like/hate things different from other people.
apathy said:
I would say Doom has an overwhelmingly positive reception online.
Demon_skeith
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I know kotaku can release some bad reviews at times.
Grungie
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[quote="Burnsy" pid='243564' dateline='1615022357']
Their doom reviewer said (after complaining about the combat, "Luckily exploration elements in between arenas provide a respite when you are tired of the combat". Mf why did they get someone who only plays zelda or mario to review doom??
Btw I wasn't complaining about different people scoring things differently, I was calling about IGN for it's horrendously bad scoring which always gives a lot of popular games, no matter how bad or generic it is a 9+ score and especially when they are made by some huge company like EA or blizzard. They have no integrity. Now they still make some good reviews but that's more on the reviewers not being imbeciles than the company itself.
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I’m trying to find what makes that comment brain dead. 7.1/10 is a pretty good score so while I haven’t played the game, but that extra 2.9 points to make it a perfect 10 are for people who just really love Doom. Sure shooting countless armies of demons is kind of the point of Doom, but there are times you have to question how much you can say “it’s Doom” vs “actual” good game design. Think back to your experience with Persona 4 getting monotonous and grindy, and you saying that’s bad game design. People telling you “duh, it’s Persona”, isn’t a good answer.
With the AAA titles getting perfect, or near perfect ratings. I wouldn’t be surprised that several years later, people will come out of the woodworks talking about how great those games were, and the general gaming community will start agreeing with those scores. I lost count of how many games that came out 15+ years ago that are now “legendary” status were called terrible by the general community when they were recent.
Especially when you’ve been a fan of a long running franchise for well over a decade, you’ll see multiple entries get praised in the initial honeymoon period, then for years get called a trash game, then when new entries come out, now called “the last good one”. I’m a Final Fantasy fan, but it’s entertaining how back in 2010, you wouldn’t be caught dead saying anything newer than FF6 was good, then in the 11 years since then, each entry until 12 currently magically gained back respect in the community. It’s only a matter of time until 13 has, and people have already slowly started turning on it. FF9 being considered the fan favorite is only 5 years old, despite the game being 20 years old.
Then with the Zelda franchise, people have already started turning on Skyward Sword. People criticized IGN for giving it a ridiculously high score, and every big name Youtuber ran it through the mud. After BOTW came out, all of a sudden people were coming out and saying Skyward Sword was amazing, and even before they recently announced the remaster, a good chunk of the gaming community are reminiscing on how great the game was.
So while I’m not gonna defend IGN and say they’re perfect, I also lost trust with the gaming community when they flip flop on their opinions on games.
I’ve been accustomed through the music community on actual terribly written reviews through the critic site Pitchfork where their reviews are actually baffling despite them being considered credible. If you think that Doom review was written by a knuckle dragger, you should read how Pitchfork has countless reviews where they make no sense in a coherent fashion, or how they don’t even actually talk about the album in question that’s getting reviewed.
Their doom reviewer said (after complaining about the combat, "Luckily exploration elements in between arenas provide a respite when you are tired of the combat". Mf why did they get someone who only plays zelda or mario to review doom??
Btw I wasn't complaining about different people scoring things differently, I was calling about IGN for it's horrendously bad scoring which always gives a lot of popular games, no matter how bad or generic it is a 9+ score and especially when they are made by some huge company like EA or blizzard. They have no integrity. Now they still make some good reviews but that's more on the reviewers not being imbeciles than the company itself.
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I’m trying to find what makes that comment brain dead. 7.1/10 is a pretty good score so while I haven’t played the game, but that extra 2.9 points to make it a perfect 10 are for people who just really love Doom. Sure shooting countless armies of demons is kind of the point of Doom, but there are times you have to question how much you can say “it’s Doom” vs “actual” good game design. Think back to your experience with Persona 4 getting monotonous and grindy, and you saying that’s bad game design. People telling you “duh, it’s Persona”, isn’t a good answer.
With the AAA titles getting perfect, or near perfect ratings. I wouldn’t be surprised that several years later, people will come out of the woodworks talking about how great those games were, and the general gaming community will start agreeing with those scores. I lost count of how many games that came out 15+ years ago that are now “legendary” status were called terrible by the general community when they were recent.
Especially when you’ve been a fan of a long running franchise for well over a decade, you’ll see multiple entries get praised in the initial honeymoon period, then for years get called a trash game, then when new entries come out, now called “the last good one”. I’m a Final Fantasy fan, but it’s entertaining how back in 2010, you wouldn’t be caught dead saying anything newer than FF6 was good, then in the 11 years since then, each entry until 12 currently magically gained back respect in the community. It’s only a matter of time until 13 has, and people have already slowly started turning on it. FF9 being considered the fan favorite is only 5 years old, despite the game being 20 years old.
Then with the Zelda franchise, people have already started turning on Skyward Sword. People criticized IGN for giving it a ridiculously high score, and every big name Youtuber ran it through the mud. After BOTW came out, all of a sudden people were coming out and saying Skyward Sword was amazing, and even before they recently announced the remaster, a good chunk of the gaming community are reminiscing on how great the game was.
So while I’m not gonna defend IGN and say they’re perfect, I also lost trust with the gaming community when they flip flop on their opinions on games.
I’ve been accustomed through the music community on actual terribly written reviews through the critic site Pitchfork where their reviews are actually baffling despite them being considered credible. If you think that Doom review was written by a knuckle dragger, you should read how Pitchfork has countless reviews where they make no sense in a coherent fashion, or how they don’t even actually talk about the album in question that’s getting reviewed.
[quote="Grungie" pid='243571' dateline='1615041894']
Then with the Zelda franchise, people have already started turning on Skyward Sword. People criticized IGN for giving it a ridiculously high score, and every big name Youtuber ran it through the mud. After BOTW came out, all of a sudden people were coming out and saying Skyward Sword was amazing, and even before they recently announced the remaster, a good chunk of the gaming community are reminiscing on how great the game was.
So while I’m not gonna defend IGN and say they’re perfect, I also lost trust with the gaming community when they flip flop on their opinions on games.
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The only thing I don't quite agree with is Skyward Sword. While
some people have warmed upto it, I saw a lot of people criticizing Nintendo for charging 60$ for a Wii port, and the only people defending that price were Nintendo fanboys and they pretty much got clowned on. This was more so vocal because it was Skyward Sword.
Plus I think the game has fundamental issues, beyond motion controls. The never ending tutorials, the hand holding, needless backtracking, Fi and the empty world.
Then with the Zelda franchise, people have already started turning on Skyward Sword. People criticized IGN for giving it a ridiculously high score, and every big name Youtuber ran it through the mud. After BOTW came out, all of a sudden people were coming out and saying Skyward Sword was amazing, and even before they recently announced the remaster, a good chunk of the gaming community are reminiscing on how great the game was.
So while I’m not gonna defend IGN and say they’re perfect, I also lost trust with the gaming community when they flip flop on their opinions on games.
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The only thing I don't quite agree with is Skyward Sword. While
some people have warmed upto it, I saw a lot of people criticizing Nintendo for charging 60$ for a Wii port, and the only people defending that price were Nintendo fanboys and they pretty much got clowned on. This was more so vocal because it was Skyward Sword.
Plus I think the game has fundamental issues, beyond motion controls. The never ending tutorials, the hand holding, needless backtracking, Fi and the empty world.
Grungie
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I wasn't saying whether or not I agree with people's opinions, I was just talking about people shifting opinions on the game. I still don't really like the game that much. The vast majority of the games where people crapped all over it when it was new, nothing changed about the game, but people's opinions on it have.MadaraUchiha said:
Burnsy
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7.1 is not a good enough score for such a unique shooter. It's combat might look a little boring now compared to eternal's but it was amazing when it came out and has far more depth and uniqueness than a call of duty game (singleplayer). He even criticized it saying it was repetitive and "does nothing much new" which it most certainly was not true and then they give every new call of duty a score that's 9+. The scores I posted were grouped in 2s for a reason to show the difference and the inconsistency between them.
And I think the braindead part would be thinking the best part of doom was the exploring. There's differing opinions and then there's being wrong.
And really the rest of your passage was just digressing into things I've never even discussed, I don't know why you wanted to type all that out but "the gaming community" is not one single mind which is also always changing with the advent of better technology. So what if they change opinions.
Grungie said:
Yeah my point being there hasn't been a shift in opinions on this game IMO.
Grungie
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I haven't played the game, so I can't give my personal opinion on the exploration, maybe the reviewer did legit like it. Though after looking at the reviewer on IGN, it looks like they probably sacked him or something, because he only wrote one other review, and hasn't done anything on there since 2018.
IGN does have several reviewers, which can lead to conflicting opinions for various games in the same genre. I personally find it harder to criticize IGN for conflicting opinions because they have say, 20 people reviewing all the FPS games over a several year period. It's more understandable to complain about conflicting reviews when it comes to a Youtube reviewer where it's the same guy doing all the reviews. So it makes more sense to me to complain about if Angry Joe said Doom 2016 was a 7.1/10 not innovative enough, but the new carbon copy COD game is a 10/10 GOTY material, versus IGN doing that when 2 different people reviewed both games. As much as I find the "7.8/10 too much water" review on Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire hilariously bad, the 9.8/10 review on the original was written by a completely different person.
So instead of treating IGN as a singular entity, you could treat it as a network of people. So Joe Schmoe on IGN knows his shit, I trust that guy's reviews, but Bob Someone on there is an idiot, he doesn't know his controller from his ass. Basically the same way we treat different Youtube reviewers.
I probably didn't do a good job explaining before I started ranting, but it was more to do with you basically saying IGN are shills for giving near perfect scores for AAA games that are really generic, and how games that are praised now were games that IGN got called out for handing out shill reviews years ago.
Idk, I started seeing more Skyward Sword fans crawling out the woodworks when BOTW came out. Usually when opinions shift on games, a big reason is when a lot of the people who grew up on those games get old enough to become the majority age group for the "general consensus". Skyward Sword is 10 years old now, and in another 5-10 years, more people who grew up on it will become the majority to praise the game. I've been playing Zelda for 25 years, and I saw the shift in praise for the 3 home console titles between OOT and Skyward Sword shift from trash to amazing as those games kept getting older.
apathy
how'd i get to be so good?
MadaraUchiha said:
My bad, I misread and thought it said 2019 and was talking about the newer one (which still would have been the wrong year but still). You're right, at least as far as general consensus goes that's totally wrong for the 2016 one.
I do remember a good bit of controversy surrounding the newer one which is why I would have thought a 7.1 appropriate.
[quote="apathy" pid='243579' dateline='1615059023']
My bad, I misread and thought it said 2019 and was talking about the newer one (which still would have been the wrong year but still). You're right, at least as far as general consensus goes that's totally wrong for the 2016 one.
I do remember a good bit of controversy surrounding the newer one which is why I would have thought a 7.1 appropriate.
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I know Doom Eternal is polarising among fans because of the platforming and resource management (which I really liked actually) but I'd still say it's a well received game.
[quote="Grungie" pid='243577' dateline='1615054064']
I haven't played the game, so I can't give my personal opinion on the exploration, maybe the reviewer did legit like it. Though after looking at the reviewer on IGN, it looks like they probably sacked him or something, because he only wrote one other review, and hasn't done anything on there since 2018.
IGN does have several reviewers, which can lead to conflicting opinions for various games in the same genre. I personally find it harder to criticize IGN for conflicting opinions because they have say, 20 people reviewing all the FPS games over a several year period. It's more understandable to complain about conflicting reviews when it comes to a Youtube reviewer where it's the same guy doing all the reviews. So it makes more sense to me to complain about if Angry Joe said Doom 2016 was a 7.1/10 not innovative enough, but the new carbon copy COD game is a 10/10 GOTY material, versus IGN doing that when 2 different people reviewed both games. As much as I find the "7.8/10 too much water" review on Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire hilariously bad, the 9.8/10 review on the original was written by a completely different person.
So instead of treating IGN as a singular entity, you could treat it as a network of people. So Joe Schmoe on IGN knows his shit, I trust that guy's reviews, but Bob Someone on there is an idiot, he doesn't know his controller from his ass. Basically the same way we treat different Youtube reviewers.
I probably didn't do a good job explaining before I started ranting, but it was more to do with you basically saying IGN are shills for giving near perfect scores for AAA games that are really generic, and how games that are praised now were games that IGN got called out for handing out shill reviews years ago.
Idk, I started seeing more Skyward Sword fans crawling out the woodworks when BOTW came out. Usually when opinions shift on games, a big reason is when a lot of the people who grew up on those games get old enough to become the majority age group for the "general consensus". Skyward Sword is 10 years old now, and in another 5-10 years, more people who grew up on it will become the majority to praise the game. I've been playing Zelda for 25 years, and I saw the shift in praise for the 3 home console titles between OOT and Skyward Sword shift from trash to amazing as those games kept getting older.
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Hopefully I'll get to play BOTW and Mario Odyssey this year.
My bad, I misread and thought it said 2019 and was talking about the newer one (which still would have been the wrong year but still). You're right, at least as far as general consensus goes that's totally wrong for the 2016 one.
I do remember a good bit of controversy surrounding the newer one which is why I would have thought a 7.1 appropriate.
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I know Doom Eternal is polarising among fans because of the platforming and resource management (which I really liked actually) but I'd still say it's a well received game.
[quote="Grungie" pid='243577' dateline='1615054064']
I haven't played the game, so I can't give my personal opinion on the exploration, maybe the reviewer did legit like it. Though after looking at the reviewer on IGN, it looks like they probably sacked him or something, because he only wrote one other review, and hasn't done anything on there since 2018.
IGN does have several reviewers, which can lead to conflicting opinions for various games in the same genre. I personally find it harder to criticize IGN for conflicting opinions because they have say, 20 people reviewing all the FPS games over a several year period. It's more understandable to complain about conflicting reviews when it comes to a Youtube reviewer where it's the same guy doing all the reviews. So it makes more sense to me to complain about if Angry Joe said Doom 2016 was a 7.1/10 not innovative enough, but the new carbon copy COD game is a 10/10 GOTY material, versus IGN doing that when 2 different people reviewed both games. As much as I find the "7.8/10 too much water" review on Pokemon Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire hilariously bad, the 9.8/10 review on the original was written by a completely different person.
So instead of treating IGN as a singular entity, you could treat it as a network of people. So Joe Schmoe on IGN knows his shit, I trust that guy's reviews, but Bob Someone on there is an idiot, he doesn't know his controller from his ass. Basically the same way we treat different Youtube reviewers.
I probably didn't do a good job explaining before I started ranting, but it was more to do with you basically saying IGN are shills for giving near perfect scores for AAA games that are really generic, and how games that are praised now were games that IGN got called out for handing out shill reviews years ago.
Idk, I started seeing more Skyward Sword fans crawling out the woodworks when BOTW came out. Usually when opinions shift on games, a big reason is when a lot of the people who grew up on those games get old enough to become the majority age group for the "general consensus". Skyward Sword is 10 years old now, and in another 5-10 years, more people who grew up on it will become the majority to praise the game. I've been playing Zelda for 25 years, and I saw the shift in praise for the 3 home console titles between OOT and Skyward Sword shift from trash to amazing as those games kept getting older.
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Hopefully I'll get to play BOTW and Mario Odyssey this year.
Grungie
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[quote="MadaraUchiha" pid='243582' dateline='1615061246']
Hopefully I'll get to play BOTW and Mario Odyssey this year.
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I’ve never played Mario Odyssey, so I can’t give you an opinion on that. With BOTW, maybe lower your expectations a bit depending on what you’re looking for. I had more fun running around and exploring than I was doing the dungeons and shrines.
Hopefully I'll get to play BOTW and Mario Odyssey this year.
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I’ve never played Mario Odyssey, so I can’t give you an opinion on that. With BOTW, maybe lower your expectations a bit depending on what you’re looking for. I had more fun running around and exploring than I was doing the dungeons and shrines.