SecretWish said:
To give a rudimentary idea, Hiragana is like the actual Japanese script, Katakana is English derivate, and Kanji is sort of like Chinese.
I don't know why. It is what it is.
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To give a rudimentary idea, Hiragana is like the actual Japanese script, Katakana is English derivate, and Kanji is sort of like Chinese.
I don't know why. It is what it is.
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[quote="TechnicalSuwako" pid='89723' dateline='1522785625']
It's really not all that weird actually.
As I already said, Japanese and English are miles different from each other.
And the English words aren't pronounced like that because the pronunciation is weird, it's because Japanese has a far smaller range of possible sounds, and if your native language happens to be Japanese, it can be very difficult to make, or even hear pronunciations that do not exist in Japanese.
To give you a bit of an idea, English has a range of far over 9000 possible sounds (think PA-SS-I-BOL for "possible" or ILE-MI-NEI-CZYIUN for "elemination").
Meanwhile, Japanese has only 110 possible sounds, and they are all covered by the Hiragana script (and Katakana, which utilyses the same set of sounds, but are used for different purposes).
As for the scripts, originally Japan had no writing system at all, then for business purposes people started to learn Chinese, which is when they got introduced to a writing system too.
That's what became Kanji, and were modified later on so that they would fit the Japanese language, but also kept the (heavily modified) Chinese pronunciations.
Later on they realised that writing Kanji out all the time was rather troublesome, so they used it as a base, and started forming phonetic alphabets of Katakana and later on Hiragana out of them.
In modern days, Hiragana is used for native Japanese words, particles, and verb inflection, Katakana is used for foreign loanwords, many slang, etc., and Kanji is used to distinguish words from each other, so that I know that in order to eat a bowl of rice you're asking me for a pair of 箸 (hashi = chopsticks), not for a 橋 (hashi = bridge) or a 端 (hashi = edge of the table).
Or that you have black 髪 (kami = hair), not 神 (kami = god) or 紙 (kami = paper).
On the other hand, sentences written in Hiragana alone would make it feel like it was written by a toddler, sentences written in Katakana alone would make it feel like it was written by a robot, and good luck writing long valid sentence in Kanji alone.
And in any case, writing in a single script will become really hard to read, since in Japanese you don't use any spaces at all.
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thanks but no spaces? how would they know when something ended and a new word is beginning?
i can't imagine not having sounds for a language
It's really not all that weird actually.
As I already said, Japanese and English are miles different from each other.
And the English words aren't pronounced like that because the pronunciation is weird, it's because Japanese has a far smaller range of possible sounds, and if your native language happens to be Japanese, it can be very difficult to make, or even hear pronunciations that do not exist in Japanese.
To give you a bit of an idea, English has a range of far over 9000 possible sounds (think PA-SS-I-BOL for "possible" or ILE-MI-NEI-CZYIUN for "elemination").
Meanwhile, Japanese has only 110 possible sounds, and they are all covered by the Hiragana script (and Katakana, which utilyses the same set of sounds, but are used for different purposes).
As for the scripts, originally Japan had no writing system at all, then for business purposes people started to learn Chinese, which is when they got introduced to a writing system too.
That's what became Kanji, and were modified later on so that they would fit the Japanese language, but also kept the (heavily modified) Chinese pronunciations.
Later on they realised that writing Kanji out all the time was rather troublesome, so they used it as a base, and started forming phonetic alphabets of Katakana and later on Hiragana out of them.
In modern days, Hiragana is used for native Japanese words, particles, and verb inflection, Katakana is used for foreign loanwords, many slang, etc., and Kanji is used to distinguish words from each other, so that I know that in order to eat a bowl of rice you're asking me for a pair of 箸 (hashi = chopsticks), not for a 橋 (hashi = bridge) or a 端 (hashi = edge of the table).
Or that you have black 髪 (kami = hair), not 神 (kami = god) or 紙 (kami = paper).
On the other hand, sentences written in Hiragana alone would make it feel like it was written by a toddler, sentences written in Katakana alone would make it feel like it was written by a robot, and good luck writing long valid sentence in Kanji alone.
And in any case, writing in a single script will become really hard to read, since in Japanese you don't use any spaces at all.
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thanks but no spaces? how would they know when something ended and a new word is beginning?
i can't imagine not having sounds for a language
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TechnicalSuwako said:
not having many sounds. sometimes i don't get my own posts. japanese send to be hard and i don't think i could ever learn it
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not always. some people are not cut out for something. then wouldn't learn no matter how hard they try.
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[quote="テクニカル諏訪子" pid='90004' dateline='1523081418']
If some people would have been not cut out for learning a language, then how did they learn their native one?
The problem really isn't whether you have a talent or a handicap, the problem is in the way people are taught to learn things.
Sometimes they understand that to learn how to walk, you must try to walk.
But sometimes they fail to understand that almost everything else isn't anything different, so instead of trying to speak a language from day 1, they dive into a book and hope they'll be able to speak 3 years later (and fail, and give up as a result).
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i didn't think of it like that at all. i always thought you got a knack to learn or not. i make great seafood items and that's special only to me and everything else, i am like a mediocre for them. i will try to learn it
If some people would have been not cut out for learning a language, then how did they learn their native one?
The problem really isn't whether you have a talent or a handicap, the problem is in the way people are taught to learn things.
Sometimes they understand that to learn how to walk, you must try to walk.
But sometimes they fail to understand that almost everything else isn't anything different, so instead of trying to speak a language from day 1, they dive into a book and hope they'll be able to speak 3 years later (and fail, and give up as a result).
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i didn't think of it like that at all. i always thought you got a knack to learn or not. i make great seafood items and that's special only to me and everything else, i am like a mediocre for them. i will try to learn it
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