So what do you guys think?
I believe it could still be called as an anime. Do you guys agree with that?
I believe it could still be called as an anime. Do you guys agree with that?
If a Japanese studio outsources work to a western studio is it still an anime?
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MoonlightShadow
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I prefer to call it anime-style
IndeedGrungie said:
Usually for some collaboration anime, these boundaries become even more blurry
That's an interesting thoughtGrey_Fox said:
MoonlightShadow
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Star_Of_Hope said:Indeed
Usually for some collaboration anime, these boundaries become even more blurry
That's an interesting thought
Like superheroes. No matter what, they are western thing, if the animation made by japanese studio, then i'll call it cartoon with anime style
Grey_Fox said:
Do you know that power rangers origin is Japan?
Over studios made it their base and made their own version of power rangers
[quote="Grungie" pid='196310' dateline='1588651197']
Yeah, when you see stuff like this, it does prove how useless marketing terms can be. The sole requirement to be an anime is to be a cartoon from Japan, so it does show how wonky and fragile to term is if you have play mental gymnastics to come up with an illegitimate situation.
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I see
But we have to admit that when compared to other cartoons from other countries, anime from Japan, does get a lot of attention
Yeah, when you see stuff like this, it does prove how useless marketing terms can be. The sole requirement to be an anime is to be a cartoon from Japan, so it does show how wonky and fragile to term is if you have play mental gymnastics to come up with an illegitimate situation.
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I see
But we have to admit that when compared to other cartoons from other countries, anime from Japan, does get a lot of attention
Rinko
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[quote="Grungie" pid='196315' dateline='1588655541']
I think it’s really the larger commercialization behind the anime industry, it’s like Hollywood movies in America.
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I don't think there are many cartoons.
Anime got more maturity and Japanese are not afraid to use gore and other things unlike the American cartoons.
I think it’s really the larger commercialization behind the anime industry, it’s like Hollywood movies in America.
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I don't think there are many cartoons.
Anime got more maturity and Japanese are not afraid to use gore and other things unlike the American cartoons.
MoonlightShadow
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Star_Of_Hope said:
I know it, it's under Tokusatsu genre. It's Japanese thingy but America bought the license. For Tokusatsu community, Power Ranger considered as americanized Tokusatsu
MoonlightShadow
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Rinko said:
I know about this because i watch Japanese tokusatsu as kid, and then i read it in game magazine
Demon_skeith
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hrmm, I guess? Just needs mostly japan work done on it to make it so I guess.
Rinko
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[quote="Grungie" pid='196480' dateline='1588681984']
There’s plenty of mature American cartoons, I just think the general anime community either pretends they never existed to validate their hobby, only owned basic cable and could only see Saturday morning cartoons, or getting into anime just caused them to straight up forget they exist.
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I haven't checked other cartoons but I don't think they are mature enough.
We don't find any cartoons with Seinen genre.
There’s plenty of mature American cartoons, I just think the general anime community either pretends they never existed to validate their hobby, only owned basic cable and could only see Saturday morning cartoons, or getting into anime just caused them to straight up forget they exist.
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I haven't checked other cartoons but I don't think they are mature enough.
We don't find any cartoons with Seinen genre.
Rinko
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[quote="Grungie" pid='196687' dateline='1588769698']
Seinen’s a demographic, which makes a lot more sense when you find out the word basically means young adult male. So when you look at it that way, there are cartoons that target young adult males. There’s also plenty of anime based off of seinen manga that’s not mature at all. A lot of the schoolgirl comedy shows are seinen, and I’d hardly call most of them as mature.
Also your first sentence is a really unproductive, and way to form uninformed opinions. While you are admitting ignorance on a subject, but simultaneously admitting you made a stance on it shows a refusal to have your opinion changed.
I always found it hypocritical when I see anime fans either admit, or feign ignorance on western cartoons, but get incredibly salty when people stereotype all anime as perverted shows about underaged girls.
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I am sorry and I have never known any mature cartoon. Despite what others may say, I don't consider batman, superman and other superhero series to be on par with seinen genre. They are at most the same as shounen anime like One Piece, Naruto and other mainstream anime. I am ignorant in a way and I admit it but so far I have never encountered any western cartoon to change my view.
Sorry if I sounded too self-centered in my previous reply.
Seinen’s a demographic, which makes a lot more sense when you find out the word basically means young adult male. So when you look at it that way, there are cartoons that target young adult males. There’s also plenty of anime based off of seinen manga that’s not mature at all. A lot of the schoolgirl comedy shows are seinen, and I’d hardly call most of them as mature.
Also your first sentence is a really unproductive, and way to form uninformed opinions. While you are admitting ignorance on a subject, but simultaneously admitting you made a stance on it shows a refusal to have your opinion changed.
I always found it hypocritical when I see anime fans either admit, or feign ignorance on western cartoons, but get incredibly salty when people stereotype all anime as perverted shows about underaged girls.
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I am sorry and I have never known any mature cartoon. Despite what others may say, I don't consider batman, superman and other superhero series to be on par with seinen genre. They are at most the same as shounen anime like One Piece, Naruto and other mainstream anime. I am ignorant in a way and I admit it but so far I have never encountered any western cartoon to change my view.
Sorry if I sounded too self-centered in my previous reply.
Rinko
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[quote="Grungie" pid='196725' dateline='1588836072']
I can’t really comment on superhero stuff, since I was never really a fan, outside of Batman the Animated Series, but I also saw it when I was in elementary school 25 years ago, so I don’t really remember much of anything.
I will say you could learn that Shonen and Seinen are both not genres and are just target demographics (which will make a lot of sense when you find out that those words are just age groups).
That mindset is pretty outdated, and only exists in the “I only watch entry level anime that was popular 10-15 years ago” community (mind you I only mean entry level in regards to knowledge/exposure level, not as a derogatory towards the quality).
There was also a time when a huge chunk of the non-Japanese anime community thought seinen meant schoolgirl comedies, as the term seinen became more well known when the schoolgirl genre blew up 10 years ago.
The only actual criteria to be shonen or seinen is to be published in a magazine that’s labeled as one of those. It shows how pointless anchoring to those terms are when you have a popular series like Bokuben, a harem romcom completely devoid of any action, is in Shonen Jump and is published in between pages of MHA, Boruto, and One Piece, and this is hardly an isolated incident. You’d have to be sitting on a really high horse to have the gall to say that being in Shonen Jump doesn’t make you shonen.
Then you have the goofy situations where you have two very similar shows, but one is shonen, and the other is seinen, or even sillier, one has neither label, as that one is not based off of a manga. That really shows how pointless those terms are.
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I agree with demographics
But from what I have gathered Seinen is for adults and not for young adults. I would want to watch something that wouldn't hold back on gore and other things. Seinen would be the answer for it. We have laughed at cartoons before when they replaced Sanji's cigarette with a lollipop. So forgive me for thinking a little low of it.
I will try to watch some more mature cartoons and then change my view. This is all just my opinion. I am not saying it as a fact. Just sharing my experience here.
I can’t really comment on superhero stuff, since I was never really a fan, outside of Batman the Animated Series, but I also saw it when I was in elementary school 25 years ago, so I don’t really remember much of anything.
I will say you could learn that Shonen and Seinen are both not genres and are just target demographics (which will make a lot of sense when you find out that those words are just age groups).
That mindset is pretty outdated, and only exists in the “I only watch entry level anime that was popular 10-15 years ago” community (mind you I only mean entry level in regards to knowledge/exposure level, not as a derogatory towards the quality).
There was also a time when a huge chunk of the non-Japanese anime community thought seinen meant schoolgirl comedies, as the term seinen became more well known when the schoolgirl genre blew up 10 years ago.
The only actual criteria to be shonen or seinen is to be published in a magazine that’s labeled as one of those. It shows how pointless anchoring to those terms are when you have a popular series like Bokuben, a harem romcom completely devoid of any action, is in Shonen Jump and is published in between pages of MHA, Boruto, and One Piece, and this is hardly an isolated incident. You’d have to be sitting on a really high horse to have the gall to say that being in Shonen Jump doesn’t make you shonen.
Then you have the goofy situations where you have two very similar shows, but one is shonen, and the other is seinen, or even sillier, one has neither label, as that one is not based off of a manga. That really shows how pointless those terms are.
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I agree with demographics
But from what I have gathered Seinen is for adults and not for young adults. I would want to watch something that wouldn't hold back on gore and other things. Seinen would be the answer for it. We have laughed at cartoons before when they replaced Sanji's cigarette with a lollipop. So forgive me for thinking a little low of it.
I will try to watch some more mature cartoons and then change my view. This is all just my opinion. I am not saying it as a fact. Just sharing my experience here.