How do female characters depicted in shoujo differ from female characters in Shonen?

[quote="Grungie" pid='216207' dateline='1599377760']
They’re just target demographics as opposed to genres, which makes sense when you find out that shojo means little girl, and shonen means little boy. Then there’s seinen and josei, which are the young adult versions for the two genders.

When it comes to the differences, it’s super arbitrary, as the sole defining factor of what makes x manga x demographic is based on what magazine it was published in. You’ll run into situations where you have two very similar series, but are labeled as different demographics, just because they were published in different magazines, like Lucky Star vs K-on. Or another situation, completely dissimilar series having the same demographic label, like K-on and Ghost in the Shell both being seinen.

A lot of people think those terms are genres because they saw a bunch of similar shows having those labels, so they thought those words indicated genres. Once you start digging around, you’ll realize how pointless it is, even in the same magazine. Shonen Jump is the trendsetter for the stereotypes associated with shonen, but even they have series that don’t fit the typical Naruto or Bleach formula, and have romance manga published between those.
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Shonen traditionally meant stuff like Naruto or Bleach but you are right that's why when the term "battle shonen" got coined it became more appropriate since something like Nichijou or We Never Learn are also part of WSJ.
 
MadaraUchiha said:
Shonen traditionally meant stuff like Naruto or Bleach but you are right that's why when the term "battle shonen" got coined it became more appropriate since something like Nichijou or We Never Learn are also part of WSJ.
 

I'd say Dragon Ball was more setting the template more than Fist of North Star, you see.. Luffy is just too faraway from Kenshiro
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='216230' dateline='1599413429']
That’s just digging into semantics, especially when you consider that One Piece was inspired by Dragonball which was inspired by Fist of the Norh Star. So even if you were directly inspired by Dragonball, you’ll still be vicariously inspired by Fist of the North Star.
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lol if you say it like that it can't refuted
i just think it's too different to be compared like one piece and the north star
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='216239' dateline='1599457412']
I’m just saying you can’t discredit Fist of the North Star’s influence on battle manga as a trendsetter even if they weren’t directly inspired by it, they were inspired by somebody that was.
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it's like you are giving credit to an old anime just because it's got the shonen fights.
i really don't know if inspiration works like that
 
Blackangel said:
it's like you are giving credit to an old anime just because it's got the shonen fights.
i really don't know if inspiration works like that

It really does. While DB was one of the manga that made WSJ transition to younger heroes from really muscular men, it did take inspiration from it. DB and JoJo. And DB's influence on the big three is pretty apparent, even for someone like me who hasn't watched it.
 
[quote="MadaraUchiha" pid='216251' dateline='1599464948']

It really does. While DB was one of the manga that made WSJ transition to younger heroes from really muscular men, it did take inspiration from it. DB and JoJo. And DB's influence on the big three is pretty apparent, even for someone like me who hasn't watched it.
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Basically this, Fist of the North Star laid the foundations for battle manga in Shonen Jump, and it’s popularity led to Dragonball and Jojo taking direct inspiration and refined it to give it an even wider appeal, thus leading to stuff like One Piece and Naruto. You can see elements of Fist of the North Star present in the big three that were either directly lifted, or vicariously lifted from Dragonball and Jojo.

You’ll see it in basically any entertainment media where you’ll see the originator of a trope or genre, and still see direct or vicarious influences still present in modern media. Just look at a legacy like 2001 A Space Odyssey, and you’ll still see elements of that film in modern sci-fi films.
 
MadaraUchiha said:
It really does. While DB was one of the manga that made WSJ transition to younger heroes from really muscular men, it did take inspiration from it. DB and JoJo. And DB's influence on the big three is pretty apparent, even for someone like me who hasn't watched it.

alright cool.
just saying this stuff got better later. and if you compare them just for nostalgia, that would be a big mistake.
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='216261' dateline='1599470005']
Nobody’s saying anything about being better, it’s more of giving credit to who started/influenced what.
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but if you can come up with something really good and the older one which is getting some of the recognition, then i think it's not fair.
the credit should do to the new one. at least the recognition.
 
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