Do you feel that anime needs more complex female protagonists, why or why not??

[quote="Grungie" pid='255458' dateline='1621251688']

Garbage but lovable doesn’t explicitly mean cute. You didn’t even bother asking what makes the characters garbage. You look like you’re just saying something for the sake of saying something, and you just latched into the word cute and won’t let go of it. Your intellectual checkmate doesn’t work when you have no idea what you’re talking about.
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i have prejudices and i don't say anything without thinking
and you are always making me feel bad by saying that, i talk nonsense and i am trying my best to provide valid explanation and you always throw them aside saying opinions don't count.
 
[quote="Blackangel" pid='255464' dateline='1621252034']

i have prejudices and i don't say anything without thinking
and you are always making me feel bad by saying that, i talk nonsense and i am trying my best to provide valid explanation and you always throw them aside saying opinions don't count.
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I mentioned a few days ago why you think I don’t care about your opinions. Go back and read that post. I feel like I tell you something, and you “seem” to get it, but 24 hours will pass and you reset like nothing happened.

I keep asking questions like “why?” “what does that have to do with anything?” and you never answer the question. You just find some wild idea and just roll with it with no rhyme or reason, then complain about me being mean.

I’m just trying to ask what your point is, but you always just babble off with trying to act cute and coy, and when that doesn’t work you just complain about me being mean.
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='255468' dateline='1621252591']

I mentioned a few days ago why you think I don’t care about your opinions. Go back and read that post. I feel like I tell you something, and you “seem” to get it, but 24 hours will pass and you reset like nothing happened.

I keep asking questions like “why?” “what does that have to do with anything?” and you never answer the question. You just find some wild idea and just roll with it with no rhyme or reason, then complain about me being mean.

I’m just trying to ask what your point is, but you always just babble off with trying to act cute and coy, and when that doesn’t work you just complain about me being mean.
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just like when you told me that reading stereo made you think of the actual one, when i was talking the stereo type like macho and all, when you said lovable garbage like characters, the first thing that came to my mind is , cute moments or chibi moments. now, am i still being confusing?
i can understand the other thread. but this one is different and i will say that, as you haven't given enough information i assumed what i know. and your assumption is valid from before but my assumption is not valid
how is it fair?
 
[quote="Blackangel" pid='255469' dateline='1621252837']

just like when you told me that reading stereo made you think of the actual one, when i was talking the stereo type like macho and all, when you said lovable garbage like characters, the first thing that came to my mind is , cute moments or chibi moments. now, am i still being confusing?
i can understand the other thread. but this one is different and i will say that, as you haven't given enough information i assumed what i know. and your assumption is valid from before but my assumption is not valid
how is it fair?
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What I said earlier is that you never bothered asking what made the characters garbage. You just went off on a tangent about cuteness this and cuteness that, and when I kept asking what that had to do with anything, first you went “lol teehee you silly goose” and when that didn’t work you’re now whining about me being a jerk. You didn’t ask for any explanation, you made an assumption, couldn’t explain why, and you’re trying to put all the blame on me.
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='255473' dateline='1621253183']

What I said earlier is that you never bothered asking what made the characters garbage. You just went off on a tangent about cuteness this and cuteness that, and when I kept asking what that had to do with anything, first you went “lol teehee you silly goose” and when that didn’t work you’re now whining about me being a jerk. You didn’t ask for any explanation, you made an assumption, couldn’t explain why, and you’re trying to put all the blame on me.
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i never said you are anything because i know you are just being straightforward
but sometimes that can hurt people when they are all alone in the world and then read something like, whatever they say is just nonsense. i apologize when i think i have misunderstood something but these days, i am trying to give only replies when i know what i am talking about, when i am talking to you and yet you keep saying the same thing.
i know i am not as smart as you but must you really put down people this way?
 
[quote="Blackangel" pid='255475' dateline='1621253401']

i never said you are anything because i know you are just being straightforward
but sometimes that can hurt people when they are all alone in the world and then read something like, whatever they say is just nonsense. i apologize when i think i have misunderstood something but these days, i am trying to give only replies when i know what i am talking about, when i am talking to you and yet you keep saying the same thing.
i know i am not as smart as you but must you really put down people this way?
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The reason why I keep saying the same thing is because you keep doing the same thing. I ask basic questions and you can’t answer them. I tell you “this is what you’re doing, stop that” and tell you to answer the simple questions I’m asking. It’s not “putting you down”.

If you keep messing up the same thing over and over at work, and someone takes you aside and says “hey, you keep doing this thing wrong, this is how you stop that” do you just respond with “lol teehee” and when that doesn’t work you just cry about that person being mean? That’s what you’re doing right now.
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='255480' dateline='1621254075']

The reason why I keep saying the same thing is because you keep doing the same thing. I ask basic questions and you can’t answer them. I tell you “this is what you’re doing, stop that” and tell you to answer the simple questions I’m asking. It’s not “putting you down”.

If you keep messing up the same thing over and over at work, and someone takes you aside and says “hey, you keep doing this thing wrong, this is how you stop that” do you just respond with “lol teehee” and when that doesn’t work you just cry about that person being mean? That’s what you’re doing right now.
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so what you are saying is, me assuming that your garbage lovable character as cute is my fault.
then i wonder just how many would think the same when they hear garbage lovable characters as just plain cute characters.
would you still say the same if others also get the same feeling?
 
[quote="Blackangel" pid='255482' dateline='1621254244']

so what you are saying is, me assuming that your garbage lovable character as cute is my fault.
then i wonder just how many would think the same when they hear garbage lovable characters as just plain cute characters.
would you still say the same if others also get the same feeling?
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Yes, because they didn’t ask what makes these characters garbage or why they’re garbage. They just jumped on the assumption train and kept on chugging.
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='255486' dateline='1621254541']

Yes, because they didn’t ask what makes these characters garbage or why they’re garbage. They just jumped on the assumption train and kept on chugging.
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then you have at least agreed with that i am assuming
and with the romance i read, there is always a prejudice here.
 
[quote="Blackangel" pid='255487' dateline='1621254795']

then you have at least agreed with that i am assuming
and with the romance i read, there is always a prejudice here.
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That still doesn’t get to the point.
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='255489' dateline='1621255006']

That still doesn’t get to the point.
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it does
but i am not as smart as you and i am sure you will understand where i am coming from eventually.
 
[quote="Blackangel" pid='255492' dateline='1621255161']

it does
but i am not as smart as you and i am sure you will understand where i am coming from eventually.
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No, because you’re still riding on the assumption train and won’t get off of it. Hence why I said earlier you made an assumption, latched onto it, and is refusing to let go. You don’t seem to care to know why these characters are garbage, you just wanna keep riding off on “cute this cute that”, “I read a manga, so it’s cute”
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='255498' dateline='1621255593']

No, because you’re still riding on the assumption train and won’t get off of it. Hence why I said earlier you made an assumption, latched onto it, and is refusing to let go. You don’t seem to care to know why these characters are garbage, you just wanna keep riding off on “cute this cute that”, “I read a manga, so it’s cute”
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lol here is my predicament
if i say i am wrong, you say that i am always wrong. and if i say this is incomplete so i am right, and you would say it's wrong of me to assume. no matter what i choose, i will get an earful from you. so, i would want to stick to what i believe is my correct assumption. that's simple
 
[quote="Blackangel" pid='255501' dateline='1621255703']

lol here is my predicament
if i say i am wrong, you say that i am always wrong. and if i say this is incomplete so i am right, and you would say it's wrong of me to assume. no matter what i choose, i will get an earful from you. so, i would want to stick to what i believe is my correct assumption. that's simple
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I guess telling you “you never asked why the characters are garbage” and trying to get you to ask the question is too complex of a task for you. You’re just gonna be ride or die on “well I read a manga, I’m sticking to cute and nothing you tell me is going to make me stop this assumption”.
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='255503' dateline='1621255963']

I guess telling you “you never asked why the characters are garbage” and trying to get you to ask the question is too complex of a task for you. You’re just gonna be ride or die on “well I read a manga, I’m sticking to cute and nothing you tell me is going to make me stop this assumption”.
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lol then you must have forgotten this.
the last time i asked you something, you asked me to search for it first and then understand it.
 
[quote="Blackangel" pid='255505' dateline='1621256054']

lol then you must have forgotten this.
the last time i asked you something, you asked me to search for it first and then understand it.
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Well if you don’t wanna know why, then I guess you’re just going to have to find the answer yourself
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='255507' dateline='1621256207']

Well if you don’t wanna know why, then I guess you’re just going to have to find the answer yourself
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yes thanks
if i ever feel like watching it, i will but i am fine with not knowing the answer
 
[quote="Blackangel" pid='255509' dateline='1621256374']

yes thanks
if i ever feel like watching it, i will but i am fine with not knowing the answer
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Next time you should:

A: ask for more information if you don’t have enough info to go off of. Don’t make an assumption and run it into the ground.

B: Fully form out your thought process of how you went from point A to B. If someone doesn’t get your comment, don’t repeat the conclusion and be all “lol tee hee, you silly goose”. That doesn’t explain or answer anything.

If me or someone else asks “what does that have to do with anything?” Or “what are you talking about?”, it’s not disregarding your opinion or putting you down, it’s asking what are YOU talking about.
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='255540' dateline='1621280427']

Next time you should:

A: ask for more information if you don’t have enough info to go off of. Don’t make an assumption and run it into the ground.

B: Fully form out your thought process of how you went from point A to B. If someone doesn’t get your comment, don’t repeat the conclusion and be all “lol tee hee, you silly goose”. That doesn’t explain or answer anything.

If me or someone else asks “what does that have to do with anything?” Or “what are you talking about?”, it’s not disregarding your opinion or putting you down, it’s asking what are YOU talking about.
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Cut her some slack man. I know what you are talking about but I got used to it, after being here for almost 4 years. You will get used to ths too

She is just trying to make people talk by posting something or the other. At first I used to get mad too but then it all mellowed out and now I don't particularly care about the valid points.
 
[quote="Kaname" pid='255576' dateline='1621336494']

Cut her some slack man. I know what you are talking about but I got used to it, after being here for almost 4 years. You will get used to ths too

She is just trying to make people talk by posting something or the other. At first I used to get mad too but then it all mellowed out and now I don't particularly care about the valid points.
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Nothing about that post is me being angry. I legit have no idea what she’s talking about a lot of the time. If you think telling someone to fully explain what they’re talking about when someone tells them they have no idea what they’re saying is being mean and angry, then you have some problems.

The last time I don’t her to fully form out her opinions, someone else jumped in to defend her by saying “let her do whatever she wants” is the real underlying issue here. Someone telling her to stop problematic behavior, and then someone else jumping in to tell her “nah it’s totally okay” just reinforces the behavior. It’s exactly like when one parent tells a child to stop something, and they run over to their other parent that just tells them “it’s okay”. They’re just going to do it again because the other parent will let them do it all over again.
 
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