Why do all arcs in shounen have to be soo long?

Blackangel

Blackangel

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why do you think that is?
anyone got any idea regarding why that's the case? may be because those dragged out arcs are so cool?
 
Coming up with good stories can be hard
Story and tension build-up needs to be present in anime to make it a success.
 
That's true I suppose.
It's to build up enough story-line and interesting stuff and for that alone it takes time.
 
It’s more of a Shonen Jump thing than just a battle anime thing. That’s how they get their mangaka to drag out their series.

If you read/watch battle anime from other publishers, you don’t really see it.
 
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It’s more of a Shonen Jump thing than just a battle anime thing. That’s how they get their mangaka to drag out their series.

If you read/watch battle anime from other publishers, you don’t really see it.
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That's news to me.
I will have to check out other publishers and the series as well. Thank you for the insight, Grungie.
 
Star_Of_Hope said:
That's news to me.
I will have to check out other publishers and the series as well. Thank you for the insight, Grungie.
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Shonen Jump is largely the reason why people outside of Japan think shonen is a genre. The vast majority of the series that have tropes associated with shonen are almost all published in Shonen Jump.
 
Grungie said:
Shonen Jump is largely the reason why people outside of Japan think shonen is a genre. The vast majority of the series that have tropes associated with shonen are almost all published in Shonen Jump.
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I see.
Now I need to understand what genres are. The basic ones anyway and not sub-genres. Let me get more information on that and get back to you. It's just that, I am sure Shonen is a genre in most of the anime streaming sites...so I am a bit confused at the moment
 
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I see.
Now I need to understand what genres are. The basic ones anyway and not sub-genres. Let me get more information on that and get back to you. It's just that, I am sure Shonen is a genre in most of the anime streaming sites...so I am a bit confused at the moment
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Shonen is a target demographic, it basically just means boy. Shojo is girl, seinen means a young adult male, and josei is the female equivalent of seinen. So if you translate the phrase “shonen manga” as “manga for boys”, it makes sense that it’s just a demographic. That’s why you have two shonen manga series that have nothing in common with each other, and manga from two different demographics that are almost identical. It’s all arbitrary and entirely based off of what magazine the manga was published in.

Genres are based on what tropes they have in common. So a horror series will have xyz tropes associated with it. If you take those base tropes away, it will drastically alter the end product. Something like shonen is more of a marketing label. These labels are based off of something totally arbitrary (like in the case of manga, what magazine it was published in, or if it was even in a magazine). What separates this from a genre, is that if you remove what qualifier that earns that label, it doesn’t change the product. A web comic is a comic published online, if you no longer publish it online, and release it as a physical book, it’s no longer a web comic. The genre doesn’t change, all that changed is how it’s distributed.

The reason why people confuse a marketing label as a genre, is that there are times when certain tropes are associated with that label, especially if a publisher (or whatever) specializes in that style. People associate shonen as meaning action, but don’t realize that the magazine associated with the stereotypical shonen tropes (Shonen Jump) also is famous for having a ton of harem romcoms with zero action.
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='245731' dateline='1616479717']

Shonen is a target demographic, it basically just means boy. Shojo is girl, seinen means a young adult male, and josei is the female equivalent of seinen. So if you translate the phrase “shonen manga” as “manga for boys”, it makes sense that it’s just a demographic. That’s why you have two shonen manga series that have nothing in common with each other, and manga from two different demographics that are almost identical. It’s all arbitrary and entirely based off of what magazine the manga was published in.

Genres are based on what tropes they have in common. So a horror series will have xyz tropes associated with it. If you take those base tropes away, it will drastically alter the end product. Something like shonen is more of a marketing label. These labels are based off of something totally arbitrary (like in the case of manga, what magazine it was published in, or if it was even in a magazine). What separates this from a genre, is that if you remove what qualifier that earns that label, it doesn’t change the product. A web comic is a comic published online, if you no longer publish it online, and release it as a physical book, it’s no longer a web comic. The genre doesn’t change, all that changed is how it’s distributed.

The reason why people confuse a marketing label as a genre, is that there are times when certain tropes are associated with that label, especially if a publisher (or whatever) specializes in that style. People associate shonen as meaning action, but don’t realize that the magazine associated with the stereotypical shonen tropes (Shonen Jump) also is famous for having a ton of harem romcoms with zero action.
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I see. Until now my understanding for Shonen and action is:
Shonen: For young boys and it doesn't have to contain battles or fights but it needs to have some plot to attract young boys.
Action: Should have fights and battles.

Thank you for the explanation and I will keep that in mind.
 
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I see. Until now my understanding for Shonen and action is:
Shonen: For young boys and it doesn't have to contain battles or fights but it needs to have some plot to attract young boys.
Action: Should have fights and battles.

Thank you for the explanation and I will keep that in mind.
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Neither of those two descriptions are necessarily wrong, it’ll just get to nitpick territory at that point, but yeah, “this is targeted at boys” can mean basically anything.

Calling battle anime as shonen has kind of faded out of common use in a lot of the communities I visit. I mostly see it being used by the older fans, the younger ones don’t use it a lot. Probably because they have easy exposure to the non fighting shonen stuff, as opposed to 10 years ago when you only had access to the action shonen. Unless you were like me and watched that stuff on grey market websites.
 
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Neither of those two descriptions are necessarily wrong, it’ll just get to nitpick territory at that point, but yeah, “this is targeted at boys” can mean basically anything.

Calling battle anime as shonen has kind of faded out of common use in a lot of the communities I visit. I mostly see it being used by the older fans, the younger ones don’t use it a lot. Probably because they have easy exposure to the non fighting shonen stuff, as opposed to 10 years ago when you only had access to the action shonen. Unless you were like me and watched that stuff on grey market websites.
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I see.
Thank you and most of the exposure I get is from the series I watch and from other MAF members only.
 
Star_Of_Hope said:
I see.
Well, usually I was so sure that it's to build up good story-line. I suppose that's not the case in general.
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The longer you drag it out, the longer you can milk money out of it.
 
Grungie said:
The longer you drag it out, the longer you can milk money out of it.
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Well, that can make people turn their backs on it as well.
I know people who dropped One piece anime and they are dragging it out to make more and more money.
 
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Well, that can make people turn their backs on it as well.
I know people who dropped One piece anime and they are dragging it out to make more and more money.
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Well if you look at how One Piece is still doing gangbusters, it’s not losing them enough fans to stop.
 
[quote="Grungie" pid='245786' dateline='1616486592']

Well if you look at how One Piece is still doing gangbusters, it’s not losing them enough fans to stop.
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Well, that's true
Most of the people are watching it as some obligation after following it for so long.
 
thanks grungie and you are right
i haven't even noticed it until now and shonen jump usually sets the trend for shonen related series.
 
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