Ever got disappointed in an anime character?

Risk
Gotei

(04-15-2019, 06:30 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: Shinobu Oshino from Bakemonogatari is a 600 year old vampire who looks like a 10-year-old. Apart from that there must be lots of characters as well but nothing comes to my mind for now.

I like Shinobu and I don't mind the whole "legal loli" thing I just really hate the baby voices.

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BurnsyCEO
Maou Senshi

(04-15-2019, 08:13 PM)Nameless Wrote: The main antagonists aren't likeable man. Support antagonists can be likeable but not the main ones.
They should be twisted to the core and yeah I see what you are getting at

Completely disagree. L was an antagonist, was he unlikeable? Would death note have been better if he was an asshole? Nope. Most of the akatsuki were not unlikeable. There's also shogo makishima from psycho pass. He was cool. Twisted to the core but he was really well written so you can like him as a character.

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Nameless
Gotei

(04-15-2019, 09:24 PM)BurnsyCEO Wrote: Completely disagree. L was an antagonist, was he unlikeable? Would death note have been better if he was an asshole? Nope. Most of the akatsuki were not unlikeable. There's also shogo makishima from psycho pass. He was cool. Twisted to the core but he was really well written so you can like him as a character.

L is not the only one.
You consider L as an antagonist man? That's weird but I see the reasoning. Akatsuki are not main antagonists man. I never liked Makishima man so I wouldn't know what you are talking about.

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BurnsyCEO
Maou Senshi

(04-15-2019, 09:32 PM)Nameless Wrote: L is not the only one.
You consider L as an antagonist man? That's weird but I see the reasoning. Akatsuki are not main antagonists man. I never liked Makishima man so I wouldn't know what you are talking about.

I'm sure plenty of people like shogo makishima. And even if you don't like him he's a very well written character. There's also kyubey, Johan liebert, and Satou from ajin to name a few. They're not written to be unlikeable even though they might do evil things. You can feel any emotions towards an antagonist besides dislike. From fear, to respect, to secretly rooting for them. That's what makes a great villan stand out from a typical one.

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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(04-15-2019, 08:41 PM)Risk Wrote: I like Shinobu and I don't mind the whole "legal loli" thing I just really hate the baby voices.


I don't hate her either I really like her I was just explaining stuff to her. I pretty much like every character from Bake except maybe Nadeko who only truly shines in Monogatari SS.
(04-15-2019, 09:32 PM)Nameless Wrote: L is not the only one.
You consider L as an antagonist man? That's weird but I see the reasoning. Akatsuki are not main antagonists man. I never liked Makishima man so I wouldn't know what you are talking about.

An antagonist isn't meant to be unlikeable. His actions and his motivations have to be in conflict with the protagonist. Whether it's right or wrong is up to the discretion of the viewer. 
IMO even Madara is a charismatic antagonist and people did like him but the hero is Naruto here not him.
It's about understanding the motivations of the antagonist and knowing that his reasons sort of make sense but in most cases the antagonist has twisted it in such a way that it's no longer just or reasonable. Case in point, somebody like Zabuza.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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Nameless
Gotei

(04-15-2019, 10:01 PM)BurnsyCEO Wrote: I'm sure plenty of people like shogo makishima. And even if you don't like him he's a very well written character. There's also kyubey, Johan liebert, and Satou from ajin to name a few. They're not written to be unlikeable even though they might do evil things. You can feel any emotions towards an antagonist besides dislike. From fear, to respect, to secretly rooting for them. That's what makes a great villan stand out from a typical one.
I got it man.
I never liked any antagonists but you just opened a new line of thought for me

(04-15-2019, 11:28 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: I don't hate her either I really like her I was just explaining stuff to her. I pretty much like every character from Bake except maybe Nadeko who only truly shines in Monogatari SS.

An antagonist isn't meant to be unlikeable. His actions and his motivations have to be in conflict with the protagonist. Whether it's right or wrong is up to the discretion of the viewer. 
IMO even Madara is a charismatic antagonist and people did like him but the hero is Naruto here not him.
It's about understanding the motivations of the antagonist and knowing that his reasons sort of make sense but in most cases the antagonist has twisted it in such a way that it's no longer just or reasonable. Case in point, somebody like Zabuza.
Thanks man and I didn't like Madara.

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Angel
Yoma

(04-15-2019, 06:30 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: Shinobu Oshino from Bakemonogatari is a 600 year old vampire who looks like a 10-year-old. Apart from that there must be lots of characters as well but nothing comes to my mind for now.

they stop aging after they are turned.
it's different from what we are talking here

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MadaraUchiha
Akatsuki

(04-16-2019, 01:08 PM)Angel Wrote: they stop aging after they are turned.
it's different from what we are talking here


No you are wrong that's not what happened she was an adult for hundreds of years and she turned into a child only in the present day of the series due to circumstances.

" Justice is subject to dispute; might is easily recognized and is not disputed. So we cannot give might to justice, because might has gainsaid justice, and has declared that it is she herself who is just. And thus, being unable to make what is just strong, we have made what is strong just."
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Angel
Yoma

(04-16-2019, 04:58 PM)MadaraUchiha Wrote: No you are wrong that's not what happened she was an adult for hundreds of years and she turned into a child only in the present day of the series due to circumstances.

i am not getting it
i should probably watch the series that you are talking about

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